I live in Oregon, I'd prefer it if Oregon joined Canada as a province, or like Washington and Oregon together. I don't think it's realistic. There's a lot of unanswered questions of how things would work but I have daydreamed about it.
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California could pull this off, given its industry, agriculture, and Pacific seaports. New York, where I live, has lost too much industry and agriculture to be self-sufficient. Joining Canada, though, could help assuage some of those deficits.
New York has quite a bit going for it. I think we can stand up for ourselves. I think Jersey, Connecticut, and Vermont would join us right out of the gate. I'd certainly support secession.
Additionally, NY plus CA seceding would put way too much pressure on the remainder for the rest of the states to manage the federal government. If Texas secedes for the opposite reasons, that's the end of it.
I speak for all NJ and say "sure fuck it let's go ny" and then I get into the concerns of "who is now in control of the port authority"
We have a lot of fucking idiots though
There's one big fatal flaw to that though. Water. California doesn't have enough.
Sorry but Cali is rich as fuck, they’d figure out water if need be.
It really does come down to this. They would be outright screwed.
Eh, California is mostly water independent. Most of the water that is “imported” comes from the Colorado River and is used for the least productive and least necessary agriculture in the state. Yeah, figuring out how to handle however much water would be lost if California were to secede would be an issue, but it wouldn’t be an impossible situation.
trumpistan leaves, enters techbronia.
I'm at the point where I think we should peacefully dissolve the Union entirely. Just grant all 50 states full independence. Let the states come back together in whatever new nation or combination of nations they want.
Look at the current state of our politics. Step back and really look at it. Every political system relies ultimately not on a constitution, but on the good faith of the people actually governing. Look at how the current president is wiping his ass with every check and balance built into the system. Words and laws don't matter, there's always a bad faith interpretation that can allow the president to seize more and more power. And the Supreme Court is openly giving broad sweeping authority to Republican presidents while severely curtailing the power of Democratic presidents. Bribery is legal, and both parties are completely captured by the wealthy. Oh, and every last scrap of freedom, privacy, and autonomy are being torn down in the path of an ever-expanding surveillance panopticon.
I'm sorry. But by the time your political culture decays so far to allow this level of dysfunction, there's no saving it. Our constitution is a woefully out-of-date obsolete document that should have been scrapped generations ago. And it was made difficult to amend by people who had no idea how important amending it would later be. It was built for the compromises of the 1780s, not the compromises of the 2020s. We need to go through a new process of Constitution creation, potentially multiple such processes, and come back together based on new compromises that reflect the reality of the 21st century.
This nation cannot be saved. We need a peaceful national divorce. The alternative is likely something far worse, as we hurdle inexorably towards a second civil war.
Note: obviously there are practical difficulties with dissolving a nation. When this comes up, people love to hand wring about the national debt or how military assets will be dissolved in this kind of scenario. These are important but obvious concerns. But national myopia blinds us here. Nations have peacefully divided countless times through history. These matters are always handled through some negotiation process. American exceptionalism blinds us to our possible futures, simply because we are unwilling to look beyond our own borders for inspiration.
I think the only reason states have not truly waged war on each other is that we are part of a union. That's just my opinion, but many states would simply begin to fail without the feds redistributing wages from states that have good industry and gdp.
Once they don't get, they will start to try to take, and that fire would spread faster than it could be put out. Again all imo. But us Americans are "a bit shit" to eachother already, to borrow a British phrase.
I actually read this, unusual for me. I appreciate your take, and while your reasons are real concerns, I'm not in agreement with your solution.
We're leaving the east coast? I think they deserve a path too
Fuck it why not. This country is proving to be a global liability due to its structure, size, and lack of codified protections for its own handling.
While many of my family members have served in the past and do now, the US is not the end all, be all.
I pledge allegiance to a country without borders, Without Politicians
Personally, absolutely. California subsidizes so many of the red states in this country, and it sucks, because we don’t get the representation we should. We have 10% of the population, but only get 2% of the representation in the Senate.
That being said, I am completely aware that this is Putin’s goal, and that is why there is a lot of discussion online from Russian bot accounts about this.
It sucks when your goals align with Putin’s, because he is such a monster.
I am not a bot, not a Russian asset.
I think.
Only as a last resort and everything else has been tried.
If we could do it in a peaceful and democratic way that doesn’t lead to an immediate second civil war, yeah, I’d probably vote for it. It seems to have worked out well enough for Czechia and Slovakia.
The first step is refering to yourself as a member of your state and not an American I guess
I usually refer to myself as Cascadian
No, because it would lead to civil war. Do I wish it could happen? Yes. But is it realistic? No.
Ah, but Trump does not have the balls, brains, or moral integrity of Abraham Lincoln.
So, we got that going for us.
He doesn't need to imo, these things have plenty of inertia right now. It wouldn't take a lot to get Americans fighting even harder against eachother than we are now even.
Not "fighting against each other"...just "trying to repel a Nazi invasion".
I’d much rather California split into 12 different states, each with roughly the population of Nevada.
Texas technically has always had plans on the books to split into 5 states and there was a time when a part of Tennessee wanted to become its own state called Franklin.
What’s been stopping them?
The amendments to the constitution
Only if there's a legal way to do it, which is at this point, a constitutional amendment. The civil war made it clear secession is not an option.
Yeah. Horse nomads for Pritzker
I'm cool wit dat