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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 36 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

what's annoying is reading on bsky or mastodon or other places with Americans going "it's happening" or "soon this will be normal" etc it's like no bro, it isn't happening and it isn't soon, it's now. It's already happened. you're living in it. you're a nazi nation. you aren't becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.

you're at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they're going to arrest politicians and citizens that don't agree with them. your government is taking away birthright citizenship and very soon they'll go after naturalized citizens and then just straight up regular citizens.

if you're not a white, "straight", christian, male earning over $500mil a year you're fucked. they WILL come for you. They've already laid out the protections for the group previously mentioned. You've lost your country and no amount of peaceful protesting is going to return it to you. There's literally one course of action left but I believe the average American is either too afraid or unwilling to commit to it.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

They took a "Death by a thousand cuts" approach to fascism, and we're about 1200 cuts in.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 4 hours ago

you aren't becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.

I can only hope that the body count isn’t as similar as the rest of their playbook.

It is terrifying to consider the very real possibility that the US may have already “deported” thousands of people to a mass grave somewhere. I’m not aware of any evidence of that, but while it would still shock me it would not surprise me.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

154 million people voted in 2024. That's a hair over 65% of the voting agreed population. Over half of those people supported this shit stain, and even if they disagree with him on some things now, most will still support and defend him.

My personal objections to participating in a armed resistance aside. No one is looking to organize an armed resistance as far as I'm aware and the concept of organizing such a resistance seems nearly impossible for many reasons.

I've seen a few reports of protesters making things more difficult for ICE, but that's about the most resistance I've seen. I'm starting to see why reasonable Germans didn't rise up, it's not that they agreed or didn't want to, it's difficult to organize a resistance. There needs to be a clear leader, good communication channels, a way to vet those who join, and anything else a military operation needs. And even then, you'd be going up against over half the population and the armed forces. And it would be giving a reason for them to use full military force against the citizens.

There is no good end to this, there is no way to stop this from continuing. I think a lot of people are counting on midterms to bring a peaceful end to this nightmare, I doubt we will have that chance and even if we do, the outcome will not be enough to swing the power.

We're fucked.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Your stats are wrong. How are we going up against half the population if much less than half the population voted for Trump.. and now his favorability ratings are even lower than when he took office?

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nearly half the population didn't vote at all. It's not a small number that would still defend him. Maybe not half, but significant enough. Then you have to wonder, how many active duty personnel didn't vote for him and where would they stand when the orders were given. Would they commit treason in the eyes of the CIC?

His approval ratings don't mean a whole lot. We've seen how well polls have translated to real results in the last decade. I would also argue that disapproval does not translate to civil disobedience.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Okay, so to summarize: You're disregarding the numbers we do have to support your point.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago

Oh you see now how impossible it really is to fight back once it's in swing? You either need outside assistance from a hostile country, or you will be dying basically out of spite, accomplishing nearly nothing.

You need something more, something smarter.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

you're at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they're going to arrest politicians and citizens that don't agree with them

Not to be a pedant but that's the beginning of the poem

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago

Nazi camps look more humane.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

May the Heavens smite Trump, and every MAGAt, and let the thunder roar to the furthest ends of the Earth.

And make sure it fucking hurts.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No. Sitting back and waiting for imaginary sky people to act on our behalves isn't going to accomplish anything. We, the actual people, need to fight back ourselves.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Ah, that's in the pipeline too.

Remember the term: RDASH.

[–] FriendlyN3rd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

watching this happening in real time makes me wonder if the only reson germany lost was bc they started a war. bc rn it seems like we r doing what germany did but havent started a world war yet which will be interesting bc wed prob end up like russia, china, and NK etc. everyone know there are concentratiosn camps and human right violations but nobody would do anything bc there isnt a valid reason too yet bc if anyobe does anything, itll be taken as a sign of aggression and possibly war

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Nazi Germany kinda had to start wars because their spending wasn't sustainable: they had significant yearly deficits and they were always looking for ways to push forward the day that Germany would become insolvent. They stole the assets of outgroups like the Jewish minority, financially raided the banks, had the treasury print money to pay of debts, implemented price and wage controls to stave off inflation because of printing too much money, ... None of it was sustainable in the long term. The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.

And very unfortunate for the world today: the spending by usa republicans isn't sustainable either + the usa has a very big army. Some people would say that the usa republicans couldn't possibly be that stupid to rob or invade their peaceful trade partners, but ... a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

A good book that documents this is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer.

An arduous read, but vital for thinking minds nonetheless.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.

So what Fat Hitler keeps talking about regarding Greenland and Canada

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.

They aren't just stupid, many on the right are religiously dedicated to the idea of a judgement day and devastating war between 'good and evil'. They are convinced 'God is on their side'. Evangelical Christian fascists have been pushing this for years, it was almost guaranteed to come to direct conflict from the course the US has been on unless there was some kind of intervention long ago.

[–] cammoblammo@lemmy.world 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Trump keeps talking about annexing Canada though. Hitler didn’t need to invade Poland or any of the other nations he Blitzkrieged, but there it is.

He has fallen quiet about that though. I wonder if someone with an ounce of historical knowledge told him that if you’re going to fascist, don’t start wars at the same time.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

If Israel manages to send the US to war it may start a chain reaction.

[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 31 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

💯%. the US was heavily isolationist at the start of WWII, and pretty anti-Semitic. for example, the St. Louis, a boat full of Jewish refugees, was turned away from the US and Canada in 1939 - and turned back to Europe, with many Jews eventually imprisoned and murdered by the Nazis. there were also the blackshirts in the UK, who were pro-Nazi, and PM Chamberlain had a peace treaty drawn up with Hitler. and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets, of course.

so if the Nazis had been content to murder only German, Austrian and Czech Jews, they would have gotten away with it.

on the other hand, Nazi ideology (e.g. "lebensraum" and their belief in the destiny of the Aryan race to conquer the "inferior" races) drove them to war, to invade Poland and to break their pact with the Soviets. and they also spent tons of resources on the Holocaust, at the expense of their military.

so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived, but otoh Nazis aren't isolationists.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived,

Everything you said was on point but this part I feel is incorrect. Nazi Germany was on the brink of bankruptcy by 1939 because of government overspending, mainly due to rearmament. Hitler felt he had to absolutely invade other countries to pillage the resources and maintain the German economy. People tend to give too much credit to the Nazis but the regime would have totally collapsed on its own if it weren't for the war delaying the inevitable.

Hitler and the Nazis aren't different to any other dictatorships in post-war third world countries. They are bunch of fantasist buffoons. The Nazis only got lucky they went so far because they inherited strong institutions to leech off of, particularly the legacy of the Prussian military-- the army with a state.

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