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Supporting Israel at any time was wrong. Israel is an invader.
100% agree.
but want to sprinkle a wee bit of nuance.
Israel had (and still has) a massive propaganda campaign.
given information available, it would be easy for most people to come up with a vague "both sides" issue, or "they are terrorists and Israel is doing what it can to protect civilians from jihadi islamists"... Unless someone tried digging a bit and learn for themselves.
However, after this latest phase of the genocide, everyone has seen dismembered babies, the endless humanitarian nightmares. and it wasn't hiding anywhere, everyone on practically every social media saw it.
After this genocide, the only way anyone could support Israel, is if they have serious deficiency in some basic human emotions.
Yep. Ignorance is normal, but this genocide has been so blatant, proud, prolonged and prominent in media and institutions (e.g. ICC) that for most people, ignorance is no longer a reasonable excuse.
Even in 850 BCE they were genociding the Canaanites.
100% this. it's a pill many people still don't want to swallow. how you could deny there's a genocide and Israel is a bad actor is beyond me. there's literal children who know better
Not after the IDF gets to them...
Yes.
Or as I prefer to phrase it, anyone who can look at what Israel is doing in Gaza without feeling horror, pity and revulsion is a monster.
Westerners need to realize that this also extents to the countries that support Israel. If you still support the USA, or the UK, or Germany, there is as much something wrong with you as a person as any Israel supporter.
Lol you think the West has just become the baddies?
Israel government is especially bad but i would like to extend this to pretty much any government around the world. The genocide in gaza is possible only thanks to the support and aid of other states.
If you're still supporting your government in 2025, there's something wrong with you as a person, you are most likely too selfish and don't care much about others.
2025? I guess better late than never because no one in their right mind should ever support this violent ethno-nationalist exclusionary apartheid state.
Not gonna lie, I feel like 2025 is way too generous. The only reason so many people are suddenly opposing Israel is because the overturn window has shifted and it is no longer popular to support Israel.
USA and their puppets murdered millions directly and dozens, perhaps hundreds of millions indirectly since WW2. But they also control the biggest propaganda apparatus in history which specialty is manufacturing consent for all those atrocities. The case of current phase of Palestinian genocide is the first example the apparatus failed, and it can be felt since it still hold for all other atrocities perpetrated by US.
Hell, even in this thread in generally left leaning instance we still have people defending and relativising even this genocide and its direct perpetrators.
Or it might have something to do with the fact they are shooting starving unarmed civilians standing in line for bread, shooting starving unarmed civilians with fucking tanks
Don't make these sweeping generalizations!
Just because I don't support Israel doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with me as a person! /s
I mean, there's definitely something wrong with me as a person. But it's not because I don't support Israel!
What 2025?
This monstrosity should've never been created.
Yes, 100%. People supporting genocidal maniacs have no ethics whatsoever.
war crime charges, when please?
I think Netanyahu is wanted by the International Court?
He is, but the western nations have collectively decided they won't enforce the warrant
Maybe I've heard France say they won't enforce, but the Norwegian Department has said they follow the International Criminal Court and will arrest him.
one can hope they capture him, in that case.
Netanyahu must be stopped. And Israel supporters too. Maybe the UK should take all Israelis people and give back the land tho its rightful owners… free Palestine!
Is the site down for anyone else? I've been trying to read this article for a couple days but it looks like it got the Lemmy hug of death!