Both sides killed their own civilians regularly so I think they both sucked balls from a moral standpoint; also don't forget when the war first started Stalin was allied with Hitler.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Think they might be talking about the Polish people, not the nazi soldiers. Dunno if I remember right, but there was also a internal civil war of multiple factions, one backed by Germany and the other Russia

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (61 children)

Since we're starting this debate again, I do wish to ask the people that think the Soviets shouldn't have gone into Poland: what should the Soviets have done?

With benefit of hindsight and access to whatever formerly-secret documents, what is the best course of action for them?

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I mean, the obvious answer is instead of trying to divvy the sovereign nation between them, they should have stood up for them and defended them when the Nazis rolled in. Barring that, they should have liberated them, then left them the fuck alone. Even a stopped clock is right sometimes, this comparison is pretty clearly silly. They weren't lamenting the lives of Nazis lost in the battle to push them out of Poland. They were lamenting the lives of the Poles after falling under the Russian boot, after the battles were won.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In case people aren't aware, the Victims of Communism foundation is a US government organization that was set up by an act of congress in 1993.

Congress also passed a bill funding them to design highschool curriculum, called the "crucial communism teaching act".

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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nazis LOVE pretending they're victims. All the time. Everywhere.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The entire Nazi ideology is rooted in victim mentality. The notion that the "Aryan" race is being oppressed by those barbaric Jews, Slavs, Romani, Chinese, etc. And because of that they need to exterminate those people before they can exterminate the Aryans.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Victim mentality is on the rise, for two reasons. Firstly people are being led to believe their special and entitled to success without work, and secondly because success has become unattainable even with work.

I think this may have something to do with the rise in Nazism in capitalist countries.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

"Fascism is capitalism in decay"

-- IDK

Edit: I think it's also the reactionary response capitalists have to left wing momentum in the population. Hitler leveraged the threat of communism to gain power and the first people he sent to camps were German communists. Sound familiar with this whole woke thing? When a population is stressed they will generally lean either far left or right and the right wing is in power and want to suppress the left wing.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

While I agree that when there's a push for change by the left, the elite will redirect it towards the right to save themselves, I don't think that's what's happening here. There isn't an effective push for change on the left for them to fight.

The rise of Trump among young voters was driven in part by the failure of the Democrats to offer a credible alternative (same in the UK), the global rise in the far-right in general (even in countries where they have no credible path to power, like Germany or Australia) is due to the unique psychology our environment has created for this generation.

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (172 children)

Uhhh Russia invaded unoccupied Poland at the same time as Nazi Germany.

While it's inaccurate to characterize them as "victims of communism" it's full blown anti-intellectualism, and astonishingly disrespectful to the polish people, to deny their suffering under Soviet occupation.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The black book is some hilarious stuff. They count the hypothetical unborn children of nazis. Also it counts the nazis.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Wasn't there also a really egregious part where they were estimating how many children the average young adult woman had in Tsarist Russia vs the USSR, and because the birth rates were lower in the USSR, they counted the supposed population deficit as victims?

Gonna make like a goose and ask them why women in the USSR had lower birth rates. Couldn't be access to contraception/abortion, sex and family planning education, equal rights as men, or better career options, right?

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[–] josefo@leminal.space 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I refuse to believe that the tweet is real. This is just satire, right guys? Hahaha, please be satire

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I see you're lucky enough not to be familiar with the Victims of Communism Foundation. This is pretty standard for them.

They're also extremely successfully at mainstreaming these kind of views: they're often cited by "respectable" western media like BBC, are used by Wikipedia, and are the original and only source for a lot of the kind of scandalous accusations against China that liberals will call you a tankie if you don't believe

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[–] terrific@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Anti-communism is a fancy name for fascism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Blackshirts and Reds is a great work that goes over this.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Often hilarious how the history is biased by some collectives. Officially US the good ones which won Nazi Germany, despite that is was Rusia and the allied, the US only enter when almost everything was done. After this the cold war, where secret US papers were filtred, specifying locations in Europe where they were going to use nuclear bombs to stop an alleged Russian invasion.

Cuba crisis, it causes almost a WWIII, because evil Russia wanted to park there nuclear missiles. What is never mentioned, was,that it was an answer to the US nuclear missiles that were parked long before in Turkey, pointing to Russia. The escalation was avoided by an Rusian commander, while the US already had the finger on the red button.

Yes, certainly communism is really bad and the US the good boys which always save the world, even by nuke civilians in two cities, training and arm jihadists and Talibans, destroying democracies supporting dictators, like the September 11 with over 3000 victims, in 1973, when the CIA organized and supported an military coup by Pinochet to eliminate Allende.

Most of the currend Wars in the world and dictatorships are direct or indirect caused by the work of our good US boys. Thank you America, GFY

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Officially US the good ones which won Nazi Germany, despite that is was Rusia and the allied, the US only enter when almost everything was done

The Soviet Union (and I say that to emphasize that it was not simply Russia) and other Allies also played an important role in the Pacific Theatre too once they had some breathing space. I suppose the US glorify it so aggressively because it's one of the few major wars they were on the winning side of, but when they rapidly promoted former Nazis to high political positions and launched Operation Gladio, one can't help but realize their troops were only sent there to stop those Nazis, not Nazism.

How easily the US's friends are forgotten... [1][2]

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