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[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (61 children)

Since we're starting this debate again, I do wish to ask the people that think the Soviets shouldn't have gone into Poland: what should the Soviets have done?

With benefit of hindsight and access to whatever formerly-secret documents, what is the best course of action for them?

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In case people aren't aware, the Victims of Communism foundation is a US government organization that was set up by an act of congress in 1993.

Congress also passed a bill funding them to design highschool curriculum, called the "crucial communism teaching act".

[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Just reminded me of a history teacher who, when teaching the Containment policy, showed us a jar with a slip of paper contained within, which read "COMMUNISM". Displayed prominently in the classroom thereafter.

Didn't work on me. When my assigned seat changed such that the jar and I were out of view of the teacher while at the board, I popped the lid off in front of everyone.

Lol

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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nazis LOVE pretending they're victims. All the time. Everywhere.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

The entire Nazi ideology is rooted in victim mentality. The notion that the "Aryan" race is being oppressed by those barbaric Jews, Slavs, Romani, Chinese, etc. And because of that they need to exterminate those people before they can exterminate the Aryans.

[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

it's white identitarism.

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[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (172 children)

Uhhh Russia invaded unoccupied Poland at the same time as Nazi Germany.

While it's inaccurate to characterize them as "victims of communism" it's full blown anti-intellectualism, and astonishingly disrespectful to the polish people, to deny their suffering under Soviet occupation.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The black book is some hilarious stuff. They count the hypothetical unborn children of nazis. Also it counts the nazis.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

Reminder that multiple co-authors denounced the book when they saw how ludicrous the other sections were, such as tallying millions of Nazi soldiers as victims of communism.

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[–] terrific@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anti-communism is a fancy name for fascism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Blackshirts and Reds is a great work that goes over this.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I refuse to believe that the tweet is real. This is just satire, right guys? Hahaha, please be satire

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I see you're lucky enough not to be familiar with the Victims of Communism Foundation. This is pretty standard for them.

They're also extremely successfully at mainstreaming these kind of views: they're often cited by "respectable" western media like BBC, are used by Wikipedia, and are the original and only source for a lot of the kind of scandalous accusations against China that liberals will call you a tankie if you don't believe

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Often hilarious how the history is biased by some collectives. Officially US the good ones which won Nazi Germany, despite that is was Rusia and the allied, the US only enter when almost everything was done. After this the cold war, where secret US papers were filtred, specifying locations in Europe where they were going to use nuclear bombs to stop an alleged Russian invasion.

Cuba crisis, it causes almost a WWIII, because evil Russia wanted to park there nuclear missiles. What is never mentioned, was,that it was an answer to the US nuclear missiles that were parked long before in Turkey, pointing to Russia. The escalation was avoided by an Rusian commander, while the US already had the finger on the red button.

Yes, certainly communism is really bad and the US the good boys which always save the world, even by nuke civilians in two cities, training and arm jihadists and Talibans, destroying democracies supporting dictators, like the September 11 with over 3000 victims, in 1973, when the CIA organized and supported an military coup by Pinochet to eliminate Allende.

Most of the currend Wars in the world and dictatorships are direct or indirect caused by the work of our good US boys. Thank you America, GFY

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Officially US the good ones which won Nazi Germany, despite that is was Rusia and the allied, the US only enter when almost everything was done

The Soviet Union (and I say that to emphasize that it was not simply Russia) and other Allies also played an important role in the Pacific Theatre too once they had some breathing space. I suppose the US glorify it so aggressively because it's one of the few major wars they were on the winning side of, but when they rapidly promoted former Nazis to high political positions and launched Operation Gladio, one can't help but realize their troops were only sent there to stop those Nazis, not Nazism.

How easily the US's friends are forgotten... [1][2]

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