Mental Health

People that say that don't understand the difference between having a bad experience vs having a miserable life.

My depression only lets me see the worst in everything; then the mind falls into a familiar cycle of hating myself and not wanting to exist anymore to stop the pain. This problem is permanent.

This not to be confused with grieving for a failed relationship or losing a job or losing a loved one. Feeling sadness is a typical experience just by being a human. This type of problem is 'temporary' even though it can last a long time.

Oftentimes people ignore that depression is also a product of a system that prioritizes profit over everything else including mental and physical health. You can go to therapy all you want but it doesnt put more money in your pocket or lower prices to lower financial stress, decrease food insecurity, doesnt increase job security and satisfaction, doesnt give you back the time your employment has robbed from you, doesnt improve relationships and your ability to form them, doesnt make third places pop into existence, etc. Therapy cant remove those factors that cause depression in the first place. I have increasingly heard stories of people going to therapy only for the therapists to realize that they literally cant do anything about the stressors because modern life is so systematically stacked against the individual.

Depression can cause permanent changes to your brain and thought patterns which makes it more likely for you to relapse or slip back into negative thought patterns if the right pressures are added, which is constant today. Therapy can provide alternative ways of thinking and coping mechanisms but cant completely remove those pressures which are outside of your control.

Death is inherently permanent and life is inherently temporary. Any life problem is still ultimately temporary.

And just because a medical condition isn't "curable" doesn't mean it isn't "treatable", and treatments continue to be developed.

And, with many medical condition, environmental factors can significantly change quality of life.

One can't definitely know what their personal experience of an incurable medical condition will be in the future.

Edit: what I just said but in meme form:

Buddhists say the exact opposite - suicide is a temporary solution to a permanent problem.

You cant "cure" hunger, you have to keep eating

Depression can't be fully "cured", but it can be managed. And as people get better at managing it, they get better at dealing with the hopelessness and despair.

The despair comes in waves; handling depression is about pulling yourself out of that temporary hole rather than giving up.

people are uncomfortable accepting a person’s mental health can be so debilitating and detrimental it makes their life unlivable. treatment resistant depression is a documented illness. each person is fighting a battle only they know the extent of. people want to believe that treatment is a guaranteed success if you do it the right way (this is subject to change from individual to individual). they’ll acknowledge the fact that mental healthcare is a disaster (if you’re in the US) but talk like you’re giving up for ceasing treatment. regardless, the unwillingness to validate suicidal people’s pain is why you hear these kinds of things.

I think this is very colloquial, and I'm gonna take a crack at the interpretation:

Depression means a depressive episode, or a depressive disorder (featuring those episodes). Usually depression can't be cured or healed, but you can go to therapy some people manage to accomodate for it or have preventative measures in place.

Depression can be triggered by lots of things or nothing at all, but iirc there's a genetic component to it.

For all those events that trigger it, those don't last forever and maybe the depression is dependent on the trigger. If so, killing yourself means there's a life without depression you will never know. You could view the depression as temporary, and killing yourself as permanent.

With the genetic predispositions and randomly triggered depressive episodes or depressive disorders that last forever it's harder. However, what if you find a way to deal with it, but you need to get over the worst part of your depressive episode? Then you might kill yourself, and you never know there's a normal life out there you could have lived.

I think this is what people are getting at. That you never know whether it just took not killing yourself on that one day to get back on track and maybe live a more fulfilling life right after.

That said, there's plenty of bad situations where things only get resolved if you manage to physically change your habits or social circle. For these, if you're forced into your circumstances, I can totally say people arguing that there's no way out. And I should also point out that if you're killing yourself, you have not given up, but much more importantly, society has most likely failed you in multiple significant ways.

For some folks depression is at least partially hormonal; and changes in age/diet/environment cause the episodes to really drop off.

That isn't to say that this saying is fair/true/useful. It is not an argument that I like - some temporary problems are still worth solutions with side effects, and I think people should think/talk it through.

I’m curious who says depression isn’t curable. I hadn’t heard that before.

Your premise is fallacious. No mental illness is curable. No, you can’t cure depression. You can’t cure happiness, either. You can get treatments that will take away either one.

There’s no virus that causes depression. No bacterial infection that can be wiped out.

Depression can be induced in lots of different ways: environmental, chemical, habitual, etc.

Depression can be alleviated in lots of different ways: medicine, food, exercise, etc.

Depression is a function of our brains. The brain isn’t infected, it’s operating outside of “normal” parameters. It doesn’t need a cure it needs tuning. That requires adjustments to behaviors and chemistry. Sometimes it takes a lot of trial and error to find out what adjustments need to be made. The vast majority of people need help discovering the right adjustments.

You have to keep trying.

Because feeling suicidal is rarely permanent. Hope you get through this

depends on which kind of depression, major depression or clinically diagnosed needs treatment from mental health professional and medicaiton, because there might be an actual chemical imbalance. Panic attacks, anxiety epsiodes co-occur with depression.

temporary, is like when you get sad, or disappointed because something happened at that moment.

Changing social and/or material conditions can relieve it. Cure is a strong word in this comtest since adulthood inherently gonna have stress. It is a out magic it but more importantly being able to do it, which the key.

Is the state of the world curable. Also no

Depression goes away after a while and can be managed.

Don't KYS!