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In Falkirk ~~today~~ saturday aug16

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[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago

Huh, but denouncing the Palestinian genocide is a terrorist act somehow?

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

UK government proscribes Palestinian support as terrorism, but not these far-right groups, because the UK government has always been a government primarily for white people’s right to kill people of color.

The UK government has committed more atrocities and terroristic acts than Hamas.

[–] MBech 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Let's be fair to the UK. They've also always been very fond of killing and supressing the Irish and Scots.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Extra fun fact. For a while in many places neither group were considered "white". Black and Muslim is the new Italian or Scott/Irish.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

If there's one thing that living in that country during the Leave Referendum has taught me, is that Racism in Britain is far more fine grained than merelly skin color: basically there is a prevalent idea amongst mainly the English (also amongst those of the other nations, but it's less common) that they're inherently superior to everybody else but Americans.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

Everyone always feels superior to Americans. Including Americans, that's why they always claim to have Irish ancestry so they're not too closely related to their fellow Americans

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Police won't arrest anyone because they're all under 60

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, if they can't take candy from a baby, they sure can take freedom from an anti-genocide pensioner.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 33 points 2 weeks ago

Of course he’s not going to arrest the dude. That’s probably his sergeant off-duty!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

We want people to live peacefully and with dignity, in a country that is not under threat from its neighbors

~ Terrorist Group Palestine Action Which Should Be Imprisoned Indefinitely

We will not be satisfied until every British resident passes the paper bag test. Anyone who doesn't should go to the gas chambers.

~ Reform Party Constituency We Need To Win In The Next Election

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would they arrest him? That would take police resources away from what really matters, arresting pensioners for protesting the prescription of Palestine Action.

Falkirk today

But this hate march was on Saturday, and the image seems to be as well.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thanks for the date correction. The person who posted the image claimed it was Aug18. Corrected to Aug16.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Had it been a frail old lady on a wheel chair holding a piece of paper with the words "Palestine Action" written on it instead of a neonazi, the police would've pounced on her and dragged away to jail.

It makes sense since the neonazi is probably one of their mates.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Zionists have allied with far right fascists to destabilise Western societies.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

"They're the same picture"

In fact Zionist is pretty close to actual NAZIsm, only with different ubermenschen and untermenschen - not merely "traditional" Fascism which is anchored on Nationalism but actual ethno-Fascism which is anchored on Racism and hence far more murderous.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 7 points 2 weeks ago

Protect are culcha

Protect are kids

Darkies can fack orf

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Never forget that Hitler was not a bastard, but a son of Western European culture. Some things haven't changed!

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Austria is not western Europe

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only one possibility. The police are pro-genocide.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

Police are the jackboot of the regime... They pro whatever pedos in charge tell them to be pro.

That's how regimes work. These NPC never cross their handlers.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

Oh well if the weatherspoons crowd are doing it it must be ok.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk -4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't actually find the comparison to the Palestinian protests that helpful. Protest should be legal across the board, and so I don't really want these people banned either.

That said, I'm pretty sure "kill them all" is incitement to violence.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Pointing out a double standard of government's reaction between violent calls to murder and peaceful protest against genocide is "not that helpful"?

[–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

Paradox of tolerance is an enigma

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"This is banned therefore that should be banned" is not helpful. We'll just end up banning everything.

"This is banned when it shouldn't be" is far more helpful.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Advocating for murder shouldn't be banned?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

It is banned. It's called incitement and the police there should be enforcing it.

Has nothing to do with protest laws which are currently being eroded as per the Palestine protests. Hence I don't find the comparison helpful. Two different battlegrounds.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Protest should be legal across the board

You're floundering on the is/ought issue.

When you come in insisting that we shouldn't question the legality of waving a flag that says 'Kill The N-rs', you not only sound like you're championing bigotry but you miss the point of the spectacle entirely.

What's at play is a UK government that has empowered itself to proscribe certain types of speech and abstained from regulating other types of speech. The government's ability to regulate speech has already been ceded (even - perhaps especially - in the American surveillance state). What's notable is who ranking leadership uses that power to suppress and who it tacitly supports.

That said, I’m pretty sure “kill them all” is incitement to violence.

I would go a bit deeper and ask how many members of this protest group are members of or friends with the people charged with regulating their conduct. This isn't merely an incitement to violence. It is a platform of a party that is rapidly gaining support within the country.

What you're looking at is the seeds of an open insurrection, not unlike the J6 riots in the US, the Hinduvista riots in India, or the Israeli settler riots in the West Bank.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

J6 rioters were successfully found guilty of numerous things and jailed without needing to make up new offences for them. Incitement to violence is an existing crime. They should be enforcing it.

The fact that some twat who's above the law came along and freed them all doesn't play into this argument.

I don't want to live in a society where the freedom to protest is so eroded that it's worthless. So I don't want them banned from protesting because that's legal. Nail them to the wall on anything they do that's illegal though. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be difficult.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

J6 rioters were successfully found guilty of numerous things and jailed

Most of the rioters weren't jailed. Less than one third earned prison sentences. Of the 1500 who were charged, roughly 900 were convicted with 300 ongoing, which is surprisingly low by federal prosecution standards (typically feds convict in excess of 90% of cases).

One individual notably exempt from prosecution was, of course, Donald Trump himself.

I don’t want to live in a society where the freedom to protest is so eroded that it’s worthless.

Then you need to leave the US asap, because the freedom to protest went out back during the Founding Fathers Era. It has never existed in any practical sense, whether it was the Whiskey Rebellion, the Bonus March, or the Columbia anti-genocide Protests.

I see people regularly bring up the Hundred Flowers Campaign in China, when they want to dab on "Unfree" countries and their illiberal habits. But then I see security services like Anduril and Booz Allen Hamilton vacuuming up the name of every dipshit who posted "I'm going to the No Kings Day March! Join me!" on Facebook or Twitter. And then what?