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[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 126 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

Do I like seeing him fuck with Trump? Yes.

Is he a dirty neo liberal? Yes.

Would I support him in a primary for President in 2028? Probably not. I sure hope someone better shows up.

Would I support him if he won the Democratic primary? Yes. Assuming we get elections. Assuming the DNC hasn't fully fractured and a third party candidate cannot reasonably win.

Would he fix our country? No. See item 2.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Its not hard, people.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (46 children)

Good take. Maybe the Kamala protest abstainers will have a fresh enough dose of Trumpism to remember that halfway-kind-of-decent-sometimes is better than literally-the-worst-possible-decision-at-all-times. I hope we still have elections. I hope we are not stuck with Newsom as the only choice. But if we are, he IS the only choice, and even though he's not nearly a progressive, he is far closer to it than whatever the GOP rolls out with in 3 years (whether it is Trump again, Trump Jr., Vance, or a new piece of shit far right authoritarian). We need to make sure he wins, and that means getting your asses to the booth. All of us. Even you.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

OH boy I sure do love purity checks. It's worked out so great for us in the past.

Why is this shit always all or nothing, goddamn. It works for maga because they have no nuance and it's all groupthink, but the rest of the nation is far more complex and won't just go for a hard left progressive in the same way. It needs to happen but it won't happen in a single election.

I am in no way endorsing newsome, but at least he's doing LITERALLY ANYTHING.

[–] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

Exactly, people tried that shit with Carney up here and we all knew we were not getting a progressive PM but we sure as hell didn't get a right wing mini trump.

Could we have gotten better? For sure but desperate times man, desperate times...

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

...you expect the dems to run a progressive?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

I fully expect to see a repeat of 2020. The party establishment will be split between Elderly Nepo-Ghoul With Fanatical Partisan Following and Young Pretty Boy Who Says Progressive Things To A Room Of Millennial Age Investment Bankers.

On the edge of the debate, you'll see a few genuinely progressive leftist voices saying things like "We should be against genocide" and "Homelessness is easily solveable if we put forward even the least amount of political capital" and "Granting DC statehood is the most obviously smart and moral Act any future Congress can pass". Maybe even a few "Medicare 4 All is still a good idea" die-hards shouting from the extremely cheap seats.

And then one (or both) of the insider candidates will pick up a few of the more popular slogans as their own. This, while denouncing any of the fringe voices as Anti-White Racists, Politically Toxic Far-Left Anti-Capitalists, Eco-Terrorists, and Fat Ugly Unfuckable Losers.

Come primary day, said fringe leftists will do shockingly well in some of the early states. At this point, the centrist candidates will panic, drop the kabuki of intra-party squabbling, align behind whomever the current Party Elder tells them to select, scream that a vote for Fringe Candidate is a vote for Fascism, blanket the airwaves with a deafening smear campaign, disavow every nice thing they said up until this point, and maybe squeak in to the convention by a few points on a technicality about who gets to be Superdelegates.

The Convention will be a coronation of a rotten corporate homunculus. Any leftist disgusted by the process or the annointed candidate will be denounced as a Far-Right Foreign Plant designed to undermine the fundamental principles of democracy itself. Said rotten homunculus will pick a Token Minority/Progressive as their running mate, then immediately dump that person to the sidelines and campaign exclusively with the reanimated corpse of Rush Limbaugh.

Trump wins by a ten point margin in 2028. Leftists are blamed for the loss. Democrats vow to purge their party of anything resembling progressive values or human decency even harder. By 2032, they're running a Bitcoin Billionaire in an uncontested primary, because it's unreasonable to trust an election process that's been infiltrated by Hamas.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (8 children)

You Americans don’t learn, constantly punching left, nobody is good enough to be an ally. While the right is unified and eating your lunch

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 16 points 6 days ago

Punching Newsom is punching up. Telling voters they are wrong to criticize him in regards to economics, Zionism, LQBTQ rights, and social safety nets IS punching left.

This is true to an extent, but when you look at the history of the moral majority (new right movement) and what actually unified the right, it should give you some context about how the Dems aren't really doing themselves any favors by distancing themselves from progressive values. The right were always willing to offer some concessions to what were once considered fringe voters (and now is essentially the base of the Republican party) in exchange for their vote.

I say this as someone who is almost always willing to vote blue no matter who, continuously catering to the wealthy and failing to follow through on promises is going to be the nail in the coffin for Democrats (and possibly American democracy in general). Midterms will probably be their last chance to get it right (if we're even allowed to vote) and they are definitely not off to a good start by giving the cold shoulder to Mamdani.

It's very hard to battle voter apathy and "both sides" disinformation when Democrats will not even acknowledge that much of what progressives are asking for is pretty reasonable. Establishment Dems seem to believe once they're accused of cultural marxism (which btw is a term that was popularized by the same people that created the moral majority/new right) they will lose centrists voters that might help them gain an edge over the competition. Meanwhile they seem to be oblivious to all the support on the left that they're absolutely hemorrhaging.

Some of that support is going to the right (and those are the people Gavin Newsome seemed really be worried about reaching with his podcast that "reached across the aisle" to some absolutely vile people), but a big chunk is being lost to people who just no longer see a point in bothering to vote for an establishment that seems to intentionally exclude and dismiss them.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 6 days ago (12 children)

He's not on the left though. He only ran as a dem because he is in California and Republicans have no chance there

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

He's rather brazenly pro-Israel. That is not a winning strategy for a Democratic candidate. Israel lost the public referendum, with something like a single-digit % of Democratic voters supporting the genocidal state. Time to accept this and move forward.

AIPAC and none of that shit matters if a significant segment of your voting base will outright reject you.

[–] Fourth@mander.xyz 23 points 6 days ago (22 children)

Friend I don't give a fuck I just don't want to live in hell anymore. I'm going to be first in line slamming my fist on the table for a progressive but apparently we need to be at Gavin Newsom before we can ask for a progressive. Lemmy and Current Affairs isn't the average American. We suck. That's abundantly clear to me now. You know what? If Mandani or similar figure was running for president I'm all in. I'm all in on that no matter what. I'm in for the most progressive candidate at all times. Unfortunately right now I just need to not be under threat of everything completely falling apart and not being fixable. Maslow's hierarchy I need that first foundational level to build my pyramid on. I don't necessarily mean this to convince anyone, sometimes you just have to yell into the void because it all feels so bad.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 days ago

Nope he’s not. But he’s not as bad as trump.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Reddit just called me a Republican plant for not liking newsom. Before the primaries have even started. Pisses me off

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 days ago

He might not be a progressive but he's not a Russian cum rag, so speaking as a member of a (for the moment) allied country, he is lightyears ahead of your current guy.

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 days ago

I don't give a shit. Anyone effectively getting under the skin of that demented pedophile should be encouraged to do so. Fuck these purity tests.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No fascism is better than fascism. Hopefully if he runs and wins he actually fixes the problems that led to fascism. He needs to tax the wealthy at 98%.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hopefully if he runs and wins he actually fixes the problems that led to fascism

Neoliberals like himself are a huge cause of where we are right now.

He needs to tax the wealthy at 98%.

He will never do that, unless he has a sudden and complete change of heart.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

He only looks good compared to the opposition.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Don't care. Way better than fascism and besides, the tweets are hilarious.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Don't split. I don't like the guy much if I have better options, but anytime he's punching right I'm for him.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago

Maybe he's not a progressive, but it's great to finally see a prominent Democrat loudly opposing Trump. Too many are obsessed with undermining their own party while letting the US go to hell.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 days ago

Leadership will pick the least objectionable neolib to promote the shit out of, and they'll end up gambling - again - that voters care more about sticking it to Trump than achieving real relief from our capitalistic hellscape.

Newsom's only redeeming qualoty is his ability to get under Trump's skin. Literally everything else is focus-group tested neo-liberalism.

Early to be predicting anything but dems are fucked if Newsom is gonna be their guy.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 points 6 days ago

Hopefully, the Democratic Party will go the way of the Whigs, and take Newsom with them. I want a genuinely good party whose mission is to overhaul America in all ways. UBI, a renewed Constitution, universal healthcare, the extinction of ICE and border patrol with minimized police, ect.

The America we have is a sick creature, that cannot be saved by Geronocrats.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

As a Californian, Newsom is just the other side of Trump's coin. He has no principles. He puts his finger in the wind before he does anything. I'd vote for literally any other Democrat first. It's not about him being a Progressive or not. It's that he'd pursue literally any position if it was advantageous to him, including hard right ones.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He threw Trans people under the bus. He can fuck right off.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

There is a hot car with an infant inside and parent no where in site. Should you break the window and save the child? Breaking a window is bad so we shouldn't do it. They just shouldn't have locked the baby in the car. I'm not going to vote for vandalism.

-protest non-voter

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Today Texas Democrats will be present for the session that will gerrymander their state, they could have stayed out of the state to keep it from passing, but the decided to return and allow it to pass.

The gerrymandering that Gavin says will happen in California is going to be voted on in November, it will probably not happen.

This chain of events will result in Republicans gaining extra control in the house/senate, because of the choices and lies made by Democrats.

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