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Misleading title. Yes, Charlie Kirk's assassination sparked a conversation about the importance of free speech and disavowing political violence. The standing ovation was not for Charlie, but for the outcome of that speech.
Still, you'd think they'd at least TRY to be reasonable with the optics of the conversation.
But isn't what Kirk did constitute as hate speech here in Canada. We don't have freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression.
He didn't deserve to die but he was toxic in every sense of the word.
They don't seem interested in optics given their other clown behaviour of inviting PJ2025 galaxy brains to speak behind closrd doors.
Canada didn't cancel on them from backlash. The garbage people they invited did.
Conservative MP for Lethbridge Rachel Thomas pays tribute to Charlie Kirk in the House of Commons, calls for the defence of free speech and against political violence. She gets a standing ovation from the Conservatives and the Liberals.
Emphasis mine.
Thank you. Thst makes more sense but the optics still aren't good.
That's right. If they had not mentioned him or mentioned a few examples, him among them, that would have made the optics very different.
Problem with that though is their intention was specifically him. You're removing their motive from this by saying they could have not talked about him. Their motive was him. Honoring him. Lionizing him. Making a ~~murder~~ martyr of him. You can't take away the motive.
I think someone already made a murder of him. Maybe the word you meant was martyr?
Damn voice to text, thanks.
... in relation to the death of a fascist
Why the fuck is our supposedly liberal government giving standard ovations to conservative pundits? What do they hope to accomplish by pushing this rhetoric? Right wingers will never see this and think “wow maybe I’ll vote liberal next election” you fucking idiots. I hate everything.
That's cause our liberals have been moving further right. Carney himself is pretty much an old school conservative.
Liberalism is inherently a right wing political ideology. It uses socially progressive issues for the working class to promote financial and commercial policies that benefit the ruling class.
The benefit also being increasing their power over the rest of society by means of exercising control over their assets and public institutions staffed by likeminded people. For example by buying news media and shifting focus away from those same issues that provide those benefits.
E: Saw headlines about a couple of rumors - David Ellison buying CNN and Larry Ellison buying TikTok. The first is the same Ellison who bought CBS via Paramount and is planning to install Bari Weiss as head of news. The second is his dad, Oracle owner and a top 3 richest person in the world.
15-20 years ago, Carney's platform would be PC, and Polieverre's failed platform would have been a joke.
Yup. Exactly. And ndp is just in the corner shitting the bed
Maybe if all the “strategic voters” had even a little bit of a spine. “I prefer the NDP but I need to vote NDP! Hey, why does the NDP not get any support?!”
How many Canadians flatly refuse to vote for what they believe while being mad that the government isn’t reading their minds? We aggressively signal that we do not want the NDP and then get mad that they aren’t the thing we keep showing them that we do not want. Get a clue.
If this is such a systemic problem that it alters elections, the problem is with the system.
The individuals are doing a risk/benefit assessment at a micro level. It is more damaging for them to have a conservative government than it is for them to have a liberal government and that may weigh more to them than the incredibly slim possibility of having an ndp government.
You cant penalize people for picking what is in their best interest. And they can still be pissed off that the best choice they had still led to a shitty outcome.
If you want something different, the system needs to change.
NO!!!!!
Kirk wasn't a 'conservative pundit,' he was a bigot, a homophobe, a white supremacist, a sexist piece of shit who cheered on the deaths of others.
Make it clear: he was a source of hatred and violence.
Potato potato.
can we stop applauding nazis in parliment for gods sake.
Me when I read the headline: DAFUQ
Me when I read the article: oh, ok.
Me when I realized it was yahoo: God damn me for falling for click bait.
Thr moment I saw thr link I thought "This has GOT to be really shitty bait."
My queer, female co-worker was mourning him and binge watching his content recently. I mentioned i was surprised she would listen to him given his views and she basically rebuttaled "uhm actually he does respect women, see he interviewed some porn stars and only fans girls."
Propaganda works, y’all. It’s serious.
What the fuck is that
I hope somebody is keeping a list of all these people because it's straight up a list of fascists.
Why the F does anyone in Canada think they need to capitulate to the absolute worst of America? This is beyond pathetic.
WTF
It's all so performative
There was two mentions of Charlie Kirk, in a speech that I'd say was focused on condemning political violence, in a mostly non-partisan way. I'd like to think that in Canada we're above using weapons to prove a point. If we need to beat back the intolerant we'll do it in an enormous show of non-violent force like Torontonians just did at Christie Pits.
Anyway the speech is what I'd expect from a Conservative, but it's nuanced enough that I get behind the primary message being conveyed.
That all said, those celebrating Kirk's death are as much simply expressing themselves as Charlie Kirk was, when he was denigrating immigrants and those that didn't fit the ideal Aryan description
And we should also publicly denounce people threatening journalists and professionals like Rachel Gilmore, who had been simply lamenting the appetite for escalation that would come from those seeking retribution, but this was wildly interpreted as a celebration and now is facing a constant barrage of death threats. Which only proved her point btw.
What the fuck
The liberals did not give a standing ovation to charlie kirk. It was performative political theatre from the cons. A conservative MP made a statement praising kirk, framing kirk as a beacon of family values. The liberals could rise to support those values or remain sitting and be accused of supporting political violence. It was a no win situation set up by the cons. The next day the libs had a "standing ovation". If you are outraged by the story ask yourself who wins from your outrage.
If I hear anyone ranting about family/traditional values Im just going to cut to the chase and assume you consume Russian origin propaganda by the barrel-load. Nobody pushes that stuff harder than them. No one stands to gain from the chaos it creates in the west, more than them.
Canadian politicians have never heard of this thing called "optics" before. It's a very isolated and fart-sniffing group of people
You cannot be a good person and a nazi, you are still a nazi.
Of course he isn't a good person, he is a fucking Nazi and deserved what he got
I think the point is that just about everybody who thinks this was a good guy is like a Christian; they've only been fed the positive parts and blurps, and are wholly ignorant of the dark side of the subject because they were never shown what it really was about
I think we need to continue posting his real messages
yeah see the thing about this is that most people would say that good stuff
but good people don't also say the bad stuff
and anybody who thinks somebody is good solely because they said some good stuff is a fucking idiot, you have to consider the bad and change your view accordingly (like hopefully that woman did). but most maga nutjobs aren't rn, they just ignore what they don't like
Why are my tax dollars being used to give a racist, bigot, fascist and all around waste of human life a standing ovation?
This is utterly ridiculous to a country as diverse as Canada that I would think overwhelmingly disagrees with the hate Kirk spewed out of his filthy pie hole.
They want to mention that political views shouldn’t turn violent, great. But don’t waste my money on mourning an absolutely horrific person with a standing ovation. This pathetic human doesn’t deserve anything except that grave he’s now being dumped into.
Read the article, title is clickbait.
They could have made the speech without mentioning him or mentioning others. How come no speech when two Democrats politicians shot? How come only when some conservative asshole who isn't even a politician?
This is fucking embarrassing.
Yes, the title and article is.
Does anyone know what's going on in this context? Is this a part of the trade negotiations or something?
