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[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 69 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Why are war criminals and genocidal maniacs allowed at the UN? Would they let Hitler speak at the UN assembly?

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They let him host the Olympics, so yeah probably.

Also the US has veto power at the UN. So nothing can be done unless the US approves. Since the US enthusiastically supports genocide, nothing can be done.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not sure the UN let Hitler host the Olympics.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Sure, but a lot of people use "the UN" as a sort of shorthand for "all the countries of the world". Representing the whole world is, after all, one of the stated primary goals of the organization.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The organization that didn’t exist until after WWII?

The organization that isn’t responsible for deciding where the Olympics are held?

And as far as stated primary goals:

United Nations Charter, Chapter I:
Purposes and Principles

Article 1

The Purposes of the United Nations are:

  1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
  2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
  3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
  4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

Nothing about representing the whole world. How would it even do that? Take a vote on the world’s favorite ice cream and the winner is the world’s favorite?

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know the UN didn't exist back when Germany hosted the Olympics in Berlin. That isn't the point of what I said. Then again, you're clearly not the type of person that can think critically about the things that they read given your response here.

You seriously read phrases like "develop friendly relations among nations" "take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace" "encourag[e] respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion" and came away thinking that representing everyone in the world has nothing to do with this organization? That's absolutely asinine.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago

Do they let you use the pointy scissors?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

a lot of people use "the UN" as a sort of shorthand for "all the countries of the world".

No, no they don't.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Yes they absolutely do. Maybe you don't but that's not the same thing as nobody, is it?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doesn’t Russia also have veto power? But does anything the UN does actually matter? It’s always “non binding” resolutions. And if it’s supposed to be binding, who is going to enforce it?

[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago

The UN was formed after WWII and it was a scheme by the allies to cement their power going forward. All permanent security council members with veto power were the winning side of WWII.

The UN basically has no powers against the wishes of any member with a veto.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My understanding has been that one of the main purposes of the UN is to attempt to prevent or deescalate wars, by providing a forum for diplomacy. To that end, the kinds of people liable to start wars are exactly the kind of people one would encourage to attend it. Now, it may not have exactly proven very good at that (though it's a bit hard to say when we can't look at what history since it's founding would have looked like without it), but still, kicking those guys out doesn't actually do anything about what they're doing, it just tells them that you don't like them, which they probably already knew.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No it sends a message that there is no tolerance for you especially trying to mimic the holocaust from ww2 that was the whole origin story to the UN.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But there is some degree of tolerance, and must be for diplomacy to work at all.

"No tolerance" would mean actually taking military action against the Zionist regime, at which point diplomacy has failed and the UN is no longer the correct forum.

Conversely, for the sake of minimising the destruction and loss of lives war causes, there always has to be an option to go back to diplomacy instead. Excluding him from the UN wouldn't make him stop. It would just close off one way out of this horrendous war.

To see what happens to a cornered warlord with nothing left to lose and no option for diplomacy, look to the late stages of WW2: absolute war, massive waste of lives on all sides, missery beyond measure. That is what the UN was created for: to provide at least a chance to reduce human suffering.

That chance must be offered to Netanyahu, not for his sake, but for the sake of all the people that might not have to die for his megalomania. Walking out shows the disdain clearly enough, but it's less definite than walling him off entirely.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If theu weren't allowed in the UN, the UN wouldn't even exist lol.

UN is just diplomacy, but with an extra fancy logo and symbolic parliamentary voting, it doesn't have real powers.

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It astounds me that people cannot understand this

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

There was no UN assembly when Hitler was alive, and he had Germany leave the predecessor League of Nations when he came to power.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Imagine how Trump would've reacted of they did that to him

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago

I’d rather not imagine it.

I’d rather see it.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I'M GONNA KILL THE PALESTINIANS! I'M GONNA DO IT!

sane people walks out

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

The world is turning against Israel but your average Israeli dumbass is still convinced that Israel is the protagonist of human history and simply a victim of everyone else's bullying.

Whole country filled with that ex everyone has had.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do we know which delegations walked out?

[–] bugfest@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

which delegations did not?

[–] Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"I'll have the pepperoni pizza. Thanks."

[–] Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Fine choice sir. Enjoy your pizza 🍕

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago

Order in da hall is in progress