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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

I'm no fan of telecom providers in Canada, but there's no evidence in these pics to show Rogers doing anything of the sort.

  • You don't say what the other VPN is, or how it's configured.
  • two of your tests are on a non-rogers network
  • your "bad" test exits in ottawa on Bell networks
[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You've been ®ogered.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

On behalf of Rogers (not really), I believe I can answer this as follows:

Fuck you, give us more money!

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Answer? You don't even need to ask any questions for them to yell this at you.

How do you know it’s Rogers and not the secure core vpn?

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wtf is a 'secure core' vpn?

[–] warm@kbin.earth 6 points 2 days ago

It's a Proton VPN service, where they hop you through multiple servers. I guess OP assumes this is a thing for all VPNs? Or they are calling servers, VPNs.
But they are testing between different Proton VPN servers, one with "Secure Core" and one without.

[–] pubquiz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

secure core’ vpn It's a Proton system that is designed to fortify online privacy by routing traffic through privacy-friendly countries before it exits to the public internet. Harder to track means less ad revenue for the corp - boo hoo - so they throttle the hell out of users to drive them away and protect their ad revenue stream to track-able "clients" who foot the bill for this malfeasance.

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

Rogers has no way to distinguish between Proton's "secure core" VPN and a simpler, more local Proton VPN endpoint. In both cases they see you sending encrypted VPN traffic to Proton - they can't see where Proton then sends that traffic next (naturally, because it's a VPN). If Proton's "secure core" VPN is slow but Proton's other options are fast then that's on Proton.

[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Literally nothing in this quote makes any sense. It's 100% bullshit FUD that these sketchy VPN companies use to convince non-technical people to use them, like virus scanners back in the day.

Your ISP doesn't get any ad revenue or tamper with your traffic. Everything is HTTPS encrypted now and cannot be modified by your ISP (at least without you seeing a giant warning in your browser). Your ISP has nothing to do with the ads you see on the web.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Looking at the ping you saw with Secure Core, this makes perfect sense. It's routing your packets out of the country and back through who knows how many stops. The other VPN you're testing is in your same city and adds basically no extra latency. You can't really blame Rogers for this, they're just following the laws of physics.

Well your only going to be as fast as the slowest server in that chain, with all the latency/any dropped packets/etc. driving down your speeds. Also, if it's built for security it almost certainly isn't prioritizing speed test traffic of all things.

[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

> Passes their traffic through literally the other side of the world
> Speed plummets
> ShockedPikachuFace.jpeg

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I would expect a VPN to reduce speed, I would not expect a 99% reduction

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Those secure core servers get hammered pretty hard, there aren’t a lot of them and majority of the time people use them to get past strict government restrictions.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Based on your explanation of secure core, are you sure it's not a case of the middle server being temporarily unavailable?

Also this morning there was a major Amazon Web Services outage so there's a possibility of it having downstream effects.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If you're using Rogers, you get everything you deserve

TL;DR: If you want a good provider, go with ovh. Been there for wel over a decade with one time a bare metal server dying at worst, and great customer support. Pay over twice less for well over twice more. A single 250 dollar/month bare metal server got us close to the same amount of hardware resources as over 10,000 dollar in cloud servers and services at Rogers. AND THEY STAY UP.

The company I work at currently had everything at Rogers and FFS, it is the worst. Provider. Ever.

The rage inducing amount of down time we've had with these fuckers was just impressive. Think up times of ~90% and the rest is fuck you because fuck you.

Oopsies, we killed this one server which caused filesystem damage? Well sucks to be you because whether you're an enterprise level customer or just a personal idiot that chose Rogers, you'll be fucked the same either way.

Seriously, over a single year I've easily had well over 12 complete down incidents that lasted over 30 minutes

I've been working hard to get this company to switch to ovh and we finally started moving some infrastructure to OVH

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

I didn't even know Rogers offered hosting. Why anyone would buy hosting from a residential ISP, I have no idea. OVH shouldn't even be a competitor, they're a datacenter company, not an ISP (they probably have service contracts with multiple backbone providers that are only available in datacenter hubs, which are orders of magnitude more reliable).

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago

Holy throttling Batman! That's pretty radical!