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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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I am aware that the use of such source is frowned upon. Nonetheless, the elonjettracker dude got busted from X© and now has his own sub. Interesting content to say the least, and it does help put things into perspective. Also i hope Lemmy implements flairs as a feature, this post could thus use a discussion flair, to signal that such content is up for debate.

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[–] iraq_lobster@slrpnk.net 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Fleamo@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Have more kids to save the culture" seems 100% at odds with saving the planet, as does expending 51 tons of CO2 to make the statement.

If everyone lived like Elon the planet would be ruined and the only hope would be colonizing Mars...but there's no way to get everyone off the planet, especially if we have 11 kids each.

I just don't see a coherent ideology except "save the planet long enough for me to off it."

[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He probably doesn't think, deep down, that everyone should have 11 kids, or at least not thatceveryones 11 kids should be saved. Just the special (i.e. rich), elite (i.e. rich), and exceptional (i.e. rich) people.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

Musk justifies his large number of children by appealing to a false conspiracy theory about whites being replaced by minorities. It's not pretty.

[–] Blackout@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"look at me, I have the sex" - Elon musk

[–] iraq_lobster@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

italians (and the japanese) can see through the bs all along

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The great replacement theory has not taken hold there yet?

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I never understand how the great replacement theory is supposed to work in an immigrant nation like the US. Don’t most Americans trace back to another place 2-3 generations back? Also, aren’t most immigrants (those from Latin America) 1. More likely to have (some) native roots, and 2. Likely to have settled in the Americas for a longer time (I.e. more generations).

That is, Americans are getting “replaced” by people that are more American.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago

Your problem is you're thinking logically. The people who subscribe to conspiracy theories like that either aren't skeptical enough to grasp how irrational it is or know it's bullshit and see it as a tool to push their fascist agenda.

Accepting that the US is a nation of immigrants means the American Fundamentalist religion is false, and the faithful can't allow that.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, but those ‘more American’ people aren’t white. And that’s what matters to these chucklefucks. Never mind that they replaced the natives (violently) in the first place.

So really, what they fear is people doing to them what they did to others.

[–] iraq_lobster@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

meh, i doubt so. The french has this Zemmour dude that keep bringing this up all the time, i hope they see through it too. For immigrants, France is just a transit zone.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] iraq_lobster@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe i am wrong then. Also probably funded by imperialists. Politicians are pointless and will never fight corporate owners for the people. The middle man need to be cut and power should be controlled by the people directly. Retirees were already erased long time ago.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is of course illegal for employers to hire unlicensed workers below minimum wage. So I guess he is in favor of better enforcement of existing labor laws? Oh wait no, they always claim to side with workers, but in reality extreme right wing is still mostly right wing.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

Italy has no minimum wage. The idea is that you get unemployment benefits and just do not take really bad jobs.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I never understand how the great replacement theory is supposed to work in an immigrant nation like the US. Don’t most Americans trace back to another place 2-3 generations back? Also, aren’t most immigrants (those from Latin America) 1. More likely to have (some) native roots, and 2. Likely to have settled in the Americas for a longer time (I.e. more generations).

That is, Americans are getting “replaced” by people that are more American.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Maybe there’s an unspoken “Have more Italian children so we don’t lose out to immigrants” in there? After his publicity stunt going to the US southern border it’s certainly a possibility.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With Meloni maybe it's just spoken

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t know him or his politics. Is he populist/right wing?

[–] nte@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She… sorry.

Shows you how much I know.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

Fratelli d'Italia (Brothers of Italy) is the descendant of Almirante's Movimento Sociale Italiano (Italian Social Movement) who carried far right-wing politics into the Italian Republic after WWII and the Resistance. Fratelli d'Italia is as far right as it gets.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you. I can’t imagine they don’t share some of the same views on the subject.

Also, “She”. TIL.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're overpopulated, but fuck it. I hate condoms. I'm a rich asshole. I'll have eleven kids.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I mean "I am a rich asshole" is way better than what is potentially going on in Elon's head. Based on his character, it is more likely that he thinks he is the biggest genius Earth has ever seen and that he is doing the world a favor by reproducing.

[–] AEMarling@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Projected on X GQ in San Francisco.