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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 83 points 2 years ago (19 children)

Of all the things you could reasonably criticize the US over, wheelchair accessibility ain't one of them. Especially compared to Europe.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Especially compared to Europe?

What? Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.

I get America is pretty good too, but your comment makes it sound like Europe is a nightmare for the disabled.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure about how good or bad it is in the US, but in the Netherlands (a place that is known for good infrastructure) it's definitely not perfect.

I never realised until we got a baby and I started walking with a stroler. Way too often the sidewalk is inaccessible because of cars or bicycles. Also lots of places without ramps or elevators.

[–] Tankton@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You have a sidewalk, that is obstructed sometimes. Having a sidewalk puts in like the top 10% of countries instantly lol

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait next thing you tell me is that I can't complain about having too many people on bicycles on the bicycle roads?

[–] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

You guys actually have bicycle roads...

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.

But that's the point: Most buildings were built before disability care, and haven't been upgraded.* Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc. – I don't think any of mine are wheelchair accessible. Also good luck taking a train in Germany, where many platforms aren't wheelchair accessible and they might or might not have a lift to get you into the train.

The Americans with Disabilites Act (ADA) is miles ahead of any legal framework that I'm aware of in Europe. The US is a broken country in many ways, but that doesn't mean that literally anything and everything has to be worse than in glorious Europe.

*The former is true for the US too, but the ADA still required many of them to make reasonable accomodations.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago

America has way more wheelchair ramps due to the critically obese population, so the statement is still mostly true.

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago (5 children)

huh? america is absolute garbage for wheelchair access, the ADA is absolutely not sufficient

fuckin have fun navigating the average suburb with a wheelchair, you can't even walk to the store in most places

you can't even walk to the store in most places

Or roll into the store.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

you can't even walk to the store in most places

I’d imagine walking to the store in a wheelchair to be incredibly difficult.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Technically in common disability parlance the motion of movement in a wheel chair is still considered "walking" just like listening to an audiobook is considered "reading" for visually impaired people.

Basically it accepts the whatever means you get to the end product as being a synonyms with the verbs those used by abled people.

Learned this from my librarian buddies.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago

Google tells me that the US is ranked #5 in the world behind Japan, Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Lmao yes, we are one of the best in that regard.

Thank you American Disability Act!!

[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You think this tweet is bout wheelchair accesibility??

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[–] query@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (27 children)

I thought the idea was that Republicans are actively working on destroying what has been working fine and is benefitting lots of people, not just on preventing more progress.

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Hey now, the ADA is one of the few things we've got going for us

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And all it took was paraplegics crawling up the steps of the capitol in protest.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is.. is that actually what happened? My younger self might have assumed you were exaggerating, but my current self has seen too much to assume anything.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, it happened. Scroll up a bit and you'll see evangelicals opposed the ADA because it included protections for people with HIV.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Truly no hate like Christian love

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

...for now.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Actually, America is one of the most disabled-friendly country in the world when it comes to access struggles like wheelchair ramps and elevators

[–] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Joke's on you, they're just spreading some flavour on all of the snow and it's all salty licorice.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

Don't eat the yellow one though

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

🎶Watch out where the huskies go 🎶

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Per the bible, we aren't really even allowed to be human beings and are all born wretches full of original sin. If that's true than I'd rather have the free ice cream and body tattoos and promiscuity while I'm going to hell.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bible tl;dr: Jesus died so you DONT have original sin anymore.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Well there never really was a "Jesus" who saved us from original sin, and the bible is simply a work of misogynistic and bigoted fiction. I don't need "saving," I'm not a 'wretch,' I was never "blind but now I see." WRONG. WRONG ON ALL COUNTS!!!! I am a human being of great value and worth by virtue of my existence, and I don't require or want dependency on some fictional idiotic being for my salvation or sense of worth.

[–] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A bit dramatic for this conversation... but given the circumstances with some religious people I absolutely get where you're coming from. We do not need to be given the right to exist by others - we create our value.

We do not need to be told morality - we create morality (for we do not need to be told "do not be cruel or you will burn in hell," as we understand that cruelty is for the weak who wish to be powerful, and not needed by the truly powerful.)

We do not need a god to align our will to - we can direct our collective wills by our own strength. We are worthy or unworthy of love by our own means - we do not need "forgiveness" from anyone but ourselves.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idk, man. Finland has been posting some Ls recently. The Orpo Cabinet is all about those tax cuts, business-friendly deregulations, big new military spending budgets, and tighter restrictions on immigration.

Basically doing Reaganism, Finnish style.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

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Jesse Case, @jessecase

The news is always like:

"America has banned wheelchair ramps because they weren't in the Bible. Finland has made ice cream free."

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Me bout to move to Finland.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Don't. They have two weird languages

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