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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 83 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Of all the things you could reasonably criticize the US over, wheelchair accessibility ain't one of them. Especially compared to Europe.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Especially compared to Europe?

What? Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.

I get America is pretty good too, but your comment makes it sound like Europe is a nightmare for the disabled.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure about how good or bad it is in the US, but in the Netherlands (a place that is known for good infrastructure) it's definitely not perfect.

I never realised until we got a baby and I started walking with a stroler. Way too often the sidewalk is inaccessible because of cars or bicycles. Also lots of places without ramps or elevators.

[–] Tankton@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have a sidewalk, that is obstructed sometimes. Having a sidewalk puts in like the top 10% of countries instantly lol

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait next thing you tell me is that I can't complain about having too many people on bicycles on the bicycle roads?

[–] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You guys actually have bicycle roads...

[–] Tvkan@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Europe very sound protection for the disabled. Putside of historical buildings built before disability care you won't find better access anywhere.

But that's the point: Most buildings were built before disability care, and haven't been upgraded.* Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc. – I don't think any of mine are wheelchair accessible. Also good luck taking a train in Germany, where many platforms aren't wheelchair accessible and they might or might not have a lift to get you into the train.

The Americans with Disabilites Act (ADA) is miles ahead of any legal framework that I'm aware of in Europe. The US is a broken country in many ways, but that doesn't mean that literally anything and everything has to be worse than in glorious Europe.

*The former is true for the US too, but the ADA still required many of them to make reasonable accomodations.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Think about your favorite restaurant, bar, kebab place, corner shop etc.

All have wheelchair ramps. Even the townhall that was built in the 1700s has a wheelchair ramp, as does the church built in the 1400s.

I only know a handful of places that are in the centre of dense cities that don't have them.

Then if I wanted to make comparisons to the US, yes lots of buildings are wheelchair acceptable, but they still expect you to drive between those buildings, even if you're disabled, so sidewalks and crossing points are abysmal.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

America has way more wheelchair ramps due to the critically obese population, so the statement is still mostly true.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Lmao yes, we are one of the best in that regard.

Thank you American Disability Act!!

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

huh? america is absolute garbage for wheelchair access, the ADA is absolutely not sufficient

fuckin have fun navigating the average suburb with a wheelchair, you can't even walk to the store in most places

you can't even walk to the store in most places

Or roll into the store.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Google tells me that the US is ranked #5 in the world behind Japan, Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you can't even walk to the store in most places

I’d imagine walking to the store in a wheelchair to be incredibly difficult.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Technically in common disability parlance the motion of movement in a wheel chair is still considered "walking" just like listening to an audiobook is considered "reading" for visually impaired people.

Basically it accepts the whatever means you get to the end product as being a synonyms with the verbs those used by abled people.

Learned this from my librarian buddies.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

i may in fact have meant actual walking on two legs, hence why i used the word "walk"

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In most of America you can't walk to the store even if you don't use a wheelchair. At my old place I could see a grocery store from my house, but it was on the other side of a limited access road, I had to go 1.5miles to a pedestrian overpass to be able to get to it making it a 6 mile walk to get 100 yards.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

that was my point, yes

[–] query@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

I thought the idea was that Republicans are actively working on destroying what has been working fine and is benefitting lots of people, not just on preventing more progress.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You think this tweet is bout wheelchair accesibility??

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[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's purposefully hyperbolic to illustrate a point. You think that Finland is seriously making all ice cream free?

I would not be the least bit surprised if all the Abbotts and Thomases and Trumps and Desantises (Desanti?) announced tomorrow that they would no longer be supporting the ADA's immoral drain on ~~commercial profits~~ governmental budgets.

And before someone points it out, gutting a system that he has personally benefited from to fuck over Texans is exactly the kind of thing Abbott would do.

They would never make the fish flavored ice cream free. The economy would collapse.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

On the other hand, disallowin wheelchair ramps because there are not mentioned in the Bible would be a very American move.

[–] RacerX@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Equal access to every building? Sounds like a commie plot.

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