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[–] grue@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How about a petition urging the IRS to disallow the tax-exempt status of religious orgs with leaders who endorse any political candidate?

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's already the rule, right? They just need to enforce current rules.

[–] 52fighters@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

The Alliance Defending Freedom video tapes a sermon by a preacher specifically violating the rule and send it to the IRS, trying to bait them into applying the rule because they are confident SCOTUS will declare the rule unconstitutional. The IRS never takes the bait. They'd rather have the appearance of a rule than no rule at all. As it is it is mostly self-enforcing on most congregations.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not even saying it’s true, but worth a read.

If nothing else, all these rural Christian congregations have been deceived by a conman real estate developer and reality tv star from NYC. Trump is the ultimate carpetbagger.

[–] jak@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

It says only one term, so that’ll become a lot less convincing for christians if he wins this year.

[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can the Trump supporting Bishops correlate Trumps established behaviors with their expert knowledge of the bible? I am not an expert, but he doesn't seem to uphold many Christian values. In fact he seems to be anti Christian in his practices.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] Klicnik@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for finding this, I read it years ago when it was linked on another comment on reddit and its stuck with me since.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I mean, Jared and Ivanka's headquarters are at 666 Fifth Avenue.

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

He upholds Christian Nationalist values.

He tells them that this is their country that was stolen from them.

That's all they want to hear, and they desperately want revenge.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

1 Timothy 2:12

Seems pretty aligned with his behavior towards the women he raped.

Thousands of pots sign petition calling kettle black.

Get your religion out of our political system.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Shouldn't the Pope straight up tell this bishops to stay out of politics?

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

The Pope and also the IRS.

[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

You want... The pope... To stay out of politics? Am I hearing that right? The pope?

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't the government have a law that urges them not to support politicians from the church

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 year ago

Technically the IRS can (should) revoke a church's non profit status if they are caught campaigning for specific candidates. But it happens all the time regardless and there is rarely a consequence.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Yes , and it is consistantly not enforced.

There should have been hundreds of churches charged over this back in 2016, but the IRS refuses to touch churches, no matter how blatantly they violate the separation.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, technically the church itself already has a collection of texts that unequivocally damn behaviours such as shown by Trump. It's called the Bible or something like that, i believe.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on what passages you read.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hope the pope condemns Christian nationalism as a manifestation of the heresy of positive Christianity. Or something similar.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the popes have always been in favor of national (catholic) christianity, though. Gives them more power.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The current pope seems to oppose Christian nationalism. He isn’t full liberation theologist but he’s far closer to that than to American bishops.

Personally I think Jesus was lunatic not liar or lord and I think that if he has one saint her name is Dorothy Day. So maybe my opinion as someone who left the religion too soon to dedicate my life to the Catholic workers is a bit biased, but yeah the Catholic Church is on the edge of schism.

Also national Catholicism and Christian nationalism are different. The former is deciding the nation is Christian and the latter is a stance that the nation holds a special place in Christianity. The latter is explicitly the opposite of what Catholicism is

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

if he has one saint her name is Dorothy Day

One day, it will be two. The other will be Saint Dolly.

I'm an atheist, but I'd probably go worship at the shrine of Saint Dolly.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think she’s Catholic. But yeah my stance on Blessed Day is that she was actively snubbed. The Catholic Church will never sanctify her because of her leaning so far left, but one cannot deny the importance of her organization on leftist organization

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was thinking more about who Jesus would consider a saint.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That’s fair. I love Parton, and I think she’s up there with Tammy Faye Bakker. I think Protestants could really use the concept of saints. Are they kinda pagan? Teensy bit yeah, but mostly because pagans see our gods differently from monotheists. They are wise and powerful and provide guidance. Saints are supposed to be role models for good living in Christianity. People who the church believes it’s safe to assume are in heaven.

So minor theological rant for a religion I’m a heretic to mid theological rant for a religion I’m a heretic to. Personally I think sola fide has less backing it than sola Humane (forgive the shit Latin, but basically that’s the interpretation that Jesus died to take on humanity’s sin, that means everyone is saved), which can be reasonably argued with faith and works with reasonable hope for works alone. But I’m going to be going with the assumption that good works are necessary and possibly sufficient. In short, you earn your salvation.

But yeah saints role is to serve as role models and as people you know are in heaven. Animal lovers and those disaffected by their wealth can look to St Francis of Assisi to see how they can become holier and use their position to be a force of good. St Maximilian Kolbe can serve as inspiration to sacrifice for your fellow humans and to do the right thing when it becomes clear no matter how difficult. But Protestants don’t really have that. And I get that’s part of the point, but I do think it’s a strength Catholicism has.

St. Parton could be used as a representative of loving yourself in a healthy way and helping the poor and trod upon. St. Tammy Faye Bakker could be used as a representative of endurance and love for those who the modern hypocrites reject and rejoice in the suffering of (she was one of the first pro gay pastors in America and openly embraced a pastor with aids mid aids crisis on national tv). St. Rogers could be a representative of neighborly love and peace.

The decentralized nature of Protestantism prevents the sanctific rigor that I do tend to appreciate in Catholicism (though once again Day is blessed and not going to advance but they broke the rules to fast track Mother Teresa despite the evidence brought forth by her devil’s advocate), but having these role models is useful. St Francis led me to closer connection with nature and helped me have less love of money. It also says what the religion actually values. They can also serve as a reminder that even you can be holy. St Joseph was a poor carpenter not a priest or noble, but he was sanctified by accepting the duty of being a step dad in a situation many would’ve walked away from

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[–] etceterar@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

The Baptists in my family don't know what "Christian nationalism" means but would like the sound of it, and they basically equate the pope with a rainbow flag. I wish, but this pope isn't changing minds in the American South, even if he tries.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

Oh wow. Thousands you say? Surely they'll listen...

[–] theyoyomaster@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People think Trump is Christian?

[–] jahashar@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Not a good man. They think he's the divine necessary man who will bash abortion, women, the blacks, gays, the heretics, mutants and aliens and porn stars, not necessarily in that order. As the good word verdicts. A great christian hero.

(American white evangelicalism and christian nationalism is an abomination on the face of the earth.)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This book will explain in depth how "Donald John Trump's" full name literally means: "The Ruler of the World, graced by Yahweh (the LORD) and a descendant of a Drummer." Upon reading this book, the reader will be captivated when they realize how President Donald John Trump fulfilled most of the prophecies as the Son of Man. It speaks about End Time Prophecies and Biblical revelations regarding "President Donald J. Trump, the Son of Man. The Christ."

Wow/lol

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Seems pretty Christian to me.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why the FUCK does anyone care what a bishop thinks

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because many religious types are sheep led by wolves clothed in the robes of the church

[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I feel like there was a warning about this somewhere. Eh, what do I know.

[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago

See Kenneth Copeland for exhibit A.

[–] Rooter@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

So they ain't a fan of Walmart brand Hitler?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and odds are almost all of them are dems anyways lol

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Ding ding ding

[–] Mostly_Harmless@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hundreds of thousands will still vote for him.

[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Of course the bishops won’t support him. When it comes to Trump’s political chess strategy he is a false king supported only by pawns.

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