And just like in Metal Gear, he dies of old age if you wait a bit.

C is back at HQ with 2 Stars and enough political capital to serve till they die.

I believe the amount of hate and mockery Javascript receives is heavily skewed, simply because almost every programmer who is active today has at least some experience with the language, and with more users there are also more people capable of complaining about it.

I work with languages that are much worse than Javascript, yet they don't receive nearly as much hate because hardly anyone uses them.

One that comes into my mind is ABAP:

Because it's inescapable. Web development is by far the most common type of programming work and even if you're a backend developer you tend to have to touch javascript at some point, so everyone knows the pain of javascript's foot guns and javascript has a lot.

The fact that it's mandatory to do your work invokes bitterness in people. For backend, you can kind of switch around until you find a language you like. For frontend, it's javascript or nothing at all.

Javascript as a language is very out of sync with other commonly used languages. Its footguns are very easy to run into. As a result you have a lot of rituals around just not shooting yourself in the foot. The rituals, libraries, and frameworks around avoiding Javascript's foot guns have been very shifting and changing. Of course, because the javascript ecosystem changes far faster than other languages, there are a lot of rakes for developers to step on to add to the naturally existing foot guns.

Javascript as a language probably shouldn't be the sole language of the internet for a variety of reasons. It's a very hateable language because of how easy it is for newbies to make new terrible code and how common it is. Until something like WASM takes off, the downpour of hate for javascript will continue.

it has a lot of cruft and gotchas and lacks a good standard library (which is why npm is a thing). That means there's a lot of bad javascript code out there and a lot of people who have had bad experiences with it. But, if you take care to not shoot yourself with the included footguns and you know your way around npm, it's a perfectly fine language for its purposes in front- and backend development IMO

It's wild that Python is getting a shoutout over javascript despite being an even bigger loosely typed mess.

I think it's partially because Python has a reputation as being a serious language for serious people because it's popular amongst data scientists and academics, whereas Javascript is still seen as being popular amongst script kiddies and people building crappy websites for $100 / pop.

That being said, most of the time i hear javascript jokes at work they're pretty tongue in cheek /ironic / the dev isn't really hating on it. I have heard a dev or two make those javascript jokes with a more serious critical tone, and everyone tends to ignore them and not engage because they're pretty clearly just haters who have a general tendency to dislike popular things.

It has a rocky start, and a lot of cruft from that era sticked around.

There are also a lot of horrible legacy projects from the pre-ES5 era which are a pain to work with. Often older projects were coded either before people knew how to do javascript right, or before the devs who wrote it knew how to write javascript right.

yes

Python is as inefficient as js is ugly

I kinda feel like people who shit on it have never used it much, or aren’t very experienced

How much experience do you have? (and don't even think about lying; this is the internet)

So you choose JS.

Python is cool IMO, got loads of libraries and gets your little app up in notime.

Not for larger projects though.

JavaScript is like the unsafest language I have touched in the last 20 years, yikes!

Still would use it as a web front end instead of python ofc.

peaks through the cheap stand-up office blinders from the C# "office" Can you help me debug something rq?