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"The president cannot function, and the presidency itself cannot retain its vital independence, if the president faces criminal prosecution for official acts once he leaves office," the filing said.
The presidents from 1789 to 2016 did seem to manage, one way or another.
It also presumes that the independent presidency is of any value to the republic, pretty consistently it has actually been a source of conflicts both over the authority it holds and over the authority it is not supposed to but does anyways because an independent executive will inherently form a parasitic relationship against any legislative body it is unaccountable to.
Wtf are official acts when you leave office?
it means [for official acts performed during their tenure] [retroactively punished once they have left the office]
If an "official act" is anything that happens while they're in office, Biden should just shoot Trump on his last day in office. Following this argument, he'd be immune to prosecution.
A denial of criminal immunity would incapacitate every future president with de facto blackmail and extortion while in office, and condemn him to years of post-office trauma at the hands of political opponents.
It's funny that this hasn't happened in 45 presidencies, yet his argument is that it's suddenly going to be a problem for every future president...
Biden should just shoot Trump on his last day in office.
He shouldn't even wait until the last day.
Justice = blackmail Accountability = extortion
It's diabolical the limits the law places on people who just want to pick winners, losers, and sell secrets. Kinda unfair, really.
What's the point of all that power if it's fettered?
Why does he need immunity if everything he did was “perfectly legal”?
The moment he does, I want a cage match between trump and clinton.
But also under this law, if Biden were to lose, he could simply murder Trump and reclaim his seat? Democracy?
What a buffoon.
Under this philosophy he wouldn't have to wait. Actions taken in the name of national security. Done.
Ex presidents... Plural. Could someone get Dubya or Clinton or one of the others to retire Trump, since they're now immune too
Fuck under that Obama could take him out. After all he is ex president.
Are the Bush’s also against Trump? If so I feel like they should be more vocal about that.
By that logic, doesn't that mean he's endorsing the idea that Biden can toss Trump in jail and fuck up his family, and save us all the hassle of a trial. And get away with it, since he's president and immune, according to Trump.
Yes
He clearly hasnt thought this one through. Biden can just order that trump be execjted by a hitsquad and have complete immunity lol. Ohh u dont like a political opponent and u are still presedent just execut them.
Not to mention how it basically gives Biden cart blanche to ignore all their previous rulings against him with absolute impunity
"No prosecution you say? Well guess who's student loan debts are being forgiven!"
The really scary part is that this 'court' might do what he wants
If it does, I hope Biden goes on a huge crime spree. I mean, that's the endgame so might as well be entertained while the shop goes down.
OK OK OK New theory: Trump's lawyers are trying to get him killed.
I doubt any Republican would risk accepting the nomination for, or running against, Biden - or any Democrat president ever again.
Tbf I don't think his lawyers are the ones pushing him to go through with this. I think it's him pushing them to do it 'cause he owns SCOTUS.
Occam's Razor, for sure, but I like mine.
This sounds great, let's do it
I'm surprised that the supreme court would even hear this request. He's just a normal citizen now and the brief sounds a lot like someone requesting retrospective absolution for their crimes.
Iirc this is just a brief and the court can choose not to hear it, without giving their reasons.
Although it would be hard to say no to the boss. :P
Fuck Donald Trump and whatever he thinks
Remind repubs that absolute immunity would cover sexual crimes against children. Let's use their insane "think of the children" crap to actually do something positive.
Just like an good oligarch dictator would.
Do it!
Then we can blacksite that fucker and never have to hear about his shit again!
He really doesn't see how this could backfire on him, does he?
No matter what they do the orange man loses. Either they rule against him and he goes to jail or they rule in his favor and Biden takes full advantage of his own "Presidential Immunity."
Presidential Immunity would be the single worst outcome for the country, regardless of what happened to Trump himself. It would remove all oversight to the Executive branch. And it would confirm that the Supreme Court is utterly corrupt, because there is no way it could be interpreted as constitutional by reasonable people. Even hearing the case is an obscene waste of time and resources.
I'm embarrassed as an American that we are seeing any of this take place.
Completely agree.
Translation: Trump is shitting his pants out of fear of actual consequences.
The Supreme court should agree with Trump and then be executed the next day by Presidential order.
Just to send a message.