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[–] superkret@feddit.org 69 points 11 months ago (1 children)

C) keep the planet we have habitable

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 21 points 11 months ago (9 children)

our planet could easily be wiped by a number of things. if we dont plan for a planetary catastrophe out of our control, our species is doomed.

[–] subignition@fedia.io 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

a planetary catastrophe out of our control

You're still describing climate change. Science fiction ideas are fun to think about but our own inability to live harmoniously with nature is going to kill us off before any of those problems become relevant.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

youre still not thinking astronomically. you need to think bigger. i like to at least pretend out technology advances.

[–] variants@possumpat.io 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was kind of surprised that comet that's been visible at night was only discovered like a year ago. Crazy to think that would be the warning time of anything coming to hit us

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There are black holes that travel at the speed of light. If one were to pass through our astronomical neighborhood we would never see it coming and it would end our existence so instantaneously that it would be like our species and planet never existed.

[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

I didn't realize they were mobile, that is terrifying.

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[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.kya.moe 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Humanity can easily survive a KT extinction event. Sure, 99.999% of us will die, but tens of thousands will still survive.

[–] DrinkMonkey@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I use your math of 99.999% dying, only ~80,000 people will survive, not millions…

[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.kya.moe 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks, updated comment

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[–] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If we can't manage to keep Earth's ecosystem thriving to support us, we certainly won't be able to create a new self-sustaining ecosystem elsewhere. And without that, there's no chance of any non-Earth settlement being able to sustain a healthy human society and culture long-term.

Without some serious (currently impossible) terraforming, Mars colonies are limited to deep caves or heavily shielded buildings, no outside to relax, nowhere else to go. Have a look at the list of crimes in Antarctica, a similar situation where people are stuck together, that's not a good environment for mental health, and it will be worse farther away. A Mars colony (edit: or space station) owned by a private company will be a corporate prison, the inhabitants are 100% dependent on that company - who would voluntarily put their lives into the hands of the whims of some narcissistic hoarder with no empathy or regard for workers?

[–] KevinFromSpace@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If we can’t manage to keep Earth’s ecosystem thriving to support us, we certainly won’t be able to create a new self-sustaining ecosystem elsewhere. And without that, there’s no chance of any non-Earth settlement being able to sustain a healthy human society and culture long-term.

I'm unconvinced that pulling back from space programs will make Earth's ecosystem thrive.

A Mars colony (edit: or space station) owned by a private company will be a corporate prison, the inhabitants are 100% dependent on that company - who would voluntarily put their lives into the hands of the whims of some narcissistic hoarder with no empathy or regard for workers?

Agreed. That would be a super-weird concept, like a country owned by a private corporation.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Launch Billionaires into deep space without supplies

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 11 months ago

Men will do anything other than go to therapy.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If we can do B, A doesn't provide many benefits.

A 1km diameter, 30km cylinder would provide enough area to feed ~140k people. 95km^2 of space.

That is assuming no imported food etc, based on 7000m^2 per person which is almost 2 acres each.

140k people is a small city.

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[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

D) Move manufacturing and other dirty processes off planet and live here.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 11 months ago

Yes.

Seriously, we should be doing both as long term space habitats can serve as a way to reduce the cost of moving cargo around.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

We should be exploring both options, exploration can often lead to unexpected discoveries and technological advancement.

[–] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why? Nice planet we've got here, we could focus on preventing it becoming inhabitable due to climate change instead.

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

No matter what you do the Earth won't stay habitable forever. So we either learn to expand out into space as a species or face extinction eventually. Not to mention putting all our eggs in one basket is a terrible idea. Any cosmological event could wipe out the Earth at any time. The question is are you okay with our entire species going with it?

There needs to be a backup, ideally multiple.

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why not both?

I'm guessing B will happen first, just because we have so much more control of the environment, but we're still so far away from either one... Maybe I'll get to see the early stages sometime in my life.

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[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Space colonies. That way they can be dropped to earth to start colony independence wars.

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Europa tea party!!!!!!!

[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 8 points 11 months ago

How about we focus our efforts on unshittifying Earth first, eh?

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All of the above. But start with cleaning up this planet. Build better / more sustainable and more diverse communities and energy production. Build arcologies in the arctic, deserts, oceans. Those are good β€œpractice” for building the same off planet.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 11 months ago

Porque no los dos?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

Fix our own planet first

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 11 months ago

A quote attributed to a few people, Heinlein and Pournelle for two, "If you can get your ship into orbit, you're halfway to anywhere." Both space and planets have shared and their separate problems to solve. In my head I prefer the image of most populations moving into habitats in space, customized to their preferences, with smaller settlements on various bodies for their own purposes. In my realistic view I don't see us getting that far before we get bogged down with all the problems we've created on this planet. The window to a permanent space civilization might have already shut. A sad thing, as a 70s kid I grew up convinced we were full speed into some version of what scifi had sold to me.

[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago
[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Actually, both.

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 4 points 11 months ago

After reading A City on Mars by Kelly and Zach Weinersmith I think a O'Neill Cylinder spinning spaceship for artificial gravity type is more achievable than planarity colonisation.

But the main point of the book, and I am fairly convinced of the more I think about it, is that it is a lot of effort and risk for not a lot of gain and we are entirely unprepared for space colonisation.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 4 points 11 months ago

Neither. There's plenty of room and resources here on Earth. I think it's fine to do space exploration and even have research bases on moons and other planets, but I just don't see the imperative for colonization.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think space habitats any significant distance from Earth will be possible. Mitigating the increased radiation will be tough enough just trying to get to Mars, much less trying to stay in space out that far. At least on Mars we can hang out in old lava tubes or something.

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[–] Raffster@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

How to survive in space: Develop ways to survive in space only first. Once you manage that all the other problems are trivial compared and you don't have a single point of failure (aka our planet) anymore. Isn't that obvious?

[–] muzzle@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Genetically modify ourselves so that we can live both in zero gravity (and maybe survive short exposure to vacuum) and on other planets.

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yes.

if we want to become a true space faring species resilient to all that the universe can throw at us we will need both

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Both! All three!

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

We should stay fucking put until we figure out how to end greed and racism once and for all

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 8 points 11 months ago

We aren't going to stop being prejudiced against each other until we meet other species to turn our prejudices outward.

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