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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 137 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Decent first step, but it's going to take an actual investment in making parenthood desirable.

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 84 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Parenthood is already desirable. There's a biological drive and social conditioning to desire it for most people. The disincentives have just become overwhelming. Children take a hell of a lot of resources. Every aspect of modern society has drained all the time, money, energy, emotional resiliance, social support, etc that people need.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also the future is bleak in the poly-crisis.

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[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm logically aware that's the case for other people, but I find it perplexing why often times. I was sterilized in my mid 20s, and I haven't ever regretted it.

[–] aoidenpa@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Same. I suspect fomo. I experience that for other things but I never bought that kids thing.

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 133 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why is it framed like it's something extreme?

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

I read it as snark/sarcasm. Like they are adding something that already should be.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

This was my reaction also. WoOoAh! Free daycare? How radical!! Haha

[–] BKXcY86CHs2k8Coz@sh.itjust.works 118 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Capitalism literally has failed the human race

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago

Always has.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Who wants to have kids in a place where you’re expected to work 18 hours a day?

[–] DeadWorldWalking@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I will never have a child if they have to work 5/7ths of their life away just to scrape by like me.

That's no way to live.

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[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 105 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Daycare/Kindergarten is already free across the country for all children starting at 3 years old.

All child healthcare is also free after a prefecture-set monthly premium (usually about 1000 yen).

This policy announcement is specifically about making the 0-3 year old gap free.

Honestly I'd rather just see the government pay more into the shakai hoken (the national insurance that pays for mother/father leave) so people can take more time off from work early on in the kids' lives.

Making it easier for parents to go back to work instead of focusing what's good for children and parents seems par for the course.

[–] kinetic_donor@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Daycare/Kindergarten is already free across the country for all children starting at 3 years old.

My information might be biased towards the greater Kanto area (Tokyo/Yokohama), but I'm not aware of anybody paying less then 20000 Yen (a little over $100 USD I guess) per month per child for a place in a public daycare (can be more than double, depending on the area/daycare, and much more for private ones).

It's much more complicated, though. You can receive various support money from the state/prefecture/city, but it's usually less than what you have to pay. And you're not guaranteed a place, and the waiting list cam be long (especially in highly populated areas in Tokyo).

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh fuck, oh fuck, our ponzi scheme is about to enter the find out phase.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 months ago (21 children)

Capitalism is totally different from a ponzi scheme. In a ponzi scheme, the profits go up to the person at the top and you always need new people that come in, otherwise the whole thing will fall apart and the people at the bottom will be the ones that suffer. Under capitalism however, the profits of everyone's work will go up to the top and you always need new workers to come in, otherwise the system will fall apart and the people at the bottom will suffer. Totally different.

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[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 53 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Wait until they will discover affordable housing thing.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Housing in Tokyo is known for being relatively affordable, actually.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

ya it's funny when you watch some videos about "small apartments" in tokyo and only to realize they are still more cheaper and spacious than some NA options in big cities.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

less expensive more expansive

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Not in Tokyo, but farther out in Tokyo's residential cities (outside the 23 wards like Chiba and Saitama)

It's even cheaper the farther you get from train stations. There's a 30 minute walk "cliff" where residential land prices plummet when you're more than 30 minutes walk away from a train station.

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[–] Garibaldee@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Wait until you find out it is normal to tip your landlord there

https://www.interlinkjapan.com/blog/renting/key-money

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[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Housing is pretty affordable in Japan since housing in Japan is not an investment, it depreciates like a car (only the land has value, the house ontop of it has literally negative value since it's assumed anyone will want to bulldoze it), and their lax zoning allows for continual densification to happen.

[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Also...loosen immigration laws?

I know it's a very closed off nation with deep cultural roots that is very weary of outsiders...

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Racist, the word is racist

[–] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't mind finding work in Japan... ...if it wasn't so hostile to workers

So far, Japan is near the bottom of my list for western countries to work at, and I would much rather find a job in Korea instead

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 41 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Japan is near the bottom of my list for western countries

Japan is an Eastern country. In fact, it's the farthest East county possible.

I think the words you were looking for were "first world countries".

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

its so east that it loops back around to being west

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[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Japan is an Eastern country. In fact, it's the farthest East county possible.

No love for New Zealand huh?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 10 points 2 months ago

Checked my map, it's not there

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 months ago (7 children)

What governments and corporations never understand and will never want to understand is that ....

... it isn't about the quantity of life ... or even the quantity of people who are alive or are born

... it's about the quality of life

If everyone lives a comfortable, safe and fulfilling life without risk of poverty or losing everything they have, then they are more likely to have children and raise them to become productive people who will contribute to society.

Otherwise if you don't take care of people, they will either have no children or a bunch of children that will all grow up to become a burden to society.

[–] chaos@beehaw.org 9 points 2 months ago

"Life without risk of poverty"?! That desperation and fear is the only way I can staff my sweatshops!

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

yes. damn. what an idea

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

four-day workweek

/me franticly googling rents in Japan

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The way I've heard it said is "if you live in a developed country, you could probably afford to move to Japan right now. If you get a job in Japan, you'll never afford to move back."

Japan's cost of living is low compared to developed nations, but their average income is also low for a developed nation.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 months ago

rent is cheapish, it's everything else that will get you. if you're fine with crushing and all-permeating conformism, ridiculous degree of nationalism and misogyny, how you won't be ever accepted as one of their own as foreigner and famously toxic work culture, feel free to give it a shot

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Housing in Japan is cheap. Smaller than you're used to but still cheap.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago

They... they could've done this the entire time?

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think they might also need to maybe leave work at a reasonable time.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 14 points 2 months ago

Affordable housing, better working conditions, less working hours, efficient healthcare and better pay. It's not hard goddamn it.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nice! really good direction. If this good results I hope more places follow suit.

[–] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Childcare is outrageous. Daycare for my two kids was more than my mortgage every month. Ive been counting down until they were eligible for public schools

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unfortunately, for many of us Americans, there is a substantial contingent of our government that would really like to do away with public schools.

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