PhilipTheBucket

Ha. I just added up posts over the lifetime of your account. I just looked over the last couple pages and you might do a little more than that in the recent past. Dude, you're fine. It's largely meme content in meme communities. If you were posting RT.com to the meme communities and often to multiple communities with all the same story from RT.com it would be a little more of an issue. Like I say, it wasn't the volume (although that certainly was a factor), it was more that they were putting all kinds of unreliable or explicit-propaganda stuff that was drowning out the news that was not that.

If I had wanted to ban this user, I would have just done so, instead of talking about it. They’re on my instance (or were).

I think talking out issues is a good thing. A lot of people are capable of doing that without it becoming some kind of big debacle. We might have been going in the “ban” direction, if the conversation really remained at an impasse, but the only part of the whole event that really irritated me and led to the post was the least blameworthy user getting a two-week ban, and the spam staying up. Oh, and also my stuff getting deleted and the spam staying up. Bro WTF.

I know you and I have a difference of opinion on it, and that’s all good, but you’re not going to convince me that this user was not spamming, or that I need to respect the mod’s judgment about it when to me that judgement seems clearly not well-thought-out or credible.

I didn’t tell them to touch grass, that was one of the users that was sort of arguing with them in the comments. My first involvement was the long and serious comment that I quoted last. I’ve been trying to be less of an asshole online, and that message keeping the sarcasm out of it and just being straight with them about what was going on, was a good example.

It wasn’t just that they post a lot, it’s a very spammy collection of articles including some from open propaganda sources like RT.com. My main concern with them was the volume but also the low quality of the posts, but I left it alone as not my business until there was widespread complaining from users coupled with total disregard on their part for what the users were saying about it.

You and The_Picard_Maneuver are completely fine. Usually I like when people post a lot. The only exception is what it’s all low quality or just-to-full-space stuff, which certainly isn’t you.

To give a frame of reference, you and The_Picard_Maneuver both make about 5 posts a day it looks like. This person made over 10 times that many (58 per day average) and people were actively asking them to cool it, and they were sort of snarking back at the people who were making the request. Y’all are fine.

You know, registering for the mod elections coming up in the fall, researching the candidates, making sure you're going to make your voice heard about the issues that are important to you in the community. Or, you can just use the handy button in the corner of your interface: "Different mods please, these ones keep ignoring my reports and lying to me about why."

Definitely don't just comment about it, like some sort of sociopath. If people do that, then where will it end?

Yeah, on the overall judgement, I think I agree with you still. I read some of the links. They're off their rocker. I was trying to see about the vote-rigging thing, but I stopped caring before I got to it.

I am pointing out that the central conceit of their message -- apparently, that nothing a user does can ever be wrong, as long as the mods are okay with it -- is weird and incorrect. By way of some amplified versions and other situations where the same logic would lead to an absurd outcome.

Obviously, a poster can be posting too much, even if the mods are okay with it. That's the whole point of this community, is to second-guess the judgement of the mods.

Okay, sure.

"There's nothing wrong with posting ads for your home supplement company, which everyone hates, as long as you cleared it with the mods first and they said it was okay."

That one's probably a more accurate analogy.

I don't think they were saying they wanted to use tanks to suppress Hungarian fascists. They're saying that they're being accused of wanting to suppress Hungarian fascists (?), just because what they actually said was that they don't like America.

I can't really make head or tail of the whole thing. Just wanted to point out that I think you might have misread that one part.

This is an absolutely profoundly powerful video. I know a lot of it's not new, but he says it all really well and compellingly, and he really cares. It's honestly pretty surprising to see the "I took apart my toaster" guy all of a sudden get super-serious about an important problem in the world.

I think there are malicious people on Lemmy who have learned to exploit tribal boundaries to get people on their side. People claiming to be vegan, or anarchist, or queer are three giant glaring examples of this. Once you've made the claim, you can come out of the gate with whatever bad-faith gibberish serves the purpose you're trying to accomplish, secure in the knowledge that a sizable amount of the people in that same tribe will go to bat for you because you're in the club.

(Also people claiming to be communist.)

I'm not saying that anyone professing to those things is a fake. Most people in all are clearly are being honest about it. I'm just saying that, even if someone's in your tribe, you need to look at what they're actually saying, and that it's okay not to support them even if they are wearing being-on-your-tribe on their sleeve to tempt you into being a good member of the tribe and backing them up on whatever action or belief they are currently about.

The upvotes for this person's point of view were pretty much unanimous. Most people clearly didn't see it as negativity. Also, reports of the original user for spamming or unreliable sources are pretty common. IDK how the !news@lemmy.world rules are written, but in most internet communities, spamming the feed with low-quality content in large quantities is a violation of how you're supposed to do things.

Also, the slapfight was not removed. One side of it only was removed.

Honestly? I think you're right.

With the exception of MBFC bot, every one of these weird disconnects that has arisen between the lemmy.world moderators and the overwhelming majority of the users of lemmy.world, has followed the pattern of "someone is posting propaganda and bullshit, everyone hates it, and the LW moderators are lecturing everyone about how they really need to accept that it's here to stay, because it is allowed, and people who are vocal about having a problem with it are going to get banned." You can see the official mod explanations down below for why this particular (pretty minor TBH) decision was the way it was. The explanations are objectively not true. So what is the actual explanation for the decision?

I've observed on Reddit what happens when clearly bad-faith moderators take over a space to clear the way for it to become a little propaganda home. I think we're observing here the beginnings of that process, where at least some of the mod team is actively working to make a safe space for the propaganda, and they've become ensconced enough to be able to mandate a certain amount of propaganda be part of the space. I actually didn't see Cat's postings as being all that propaganda-y, but there certainly was some amount of it in among the general spam and clutter.

Honestly I think the root of the issue is the whole design where the space is "in the control" of some particular person to do whatever they want with it, and that person has to be a volunteer and so there's always a crushing shortage of people to do it, so it's going to work 100% of the time for someone who wants to put effort into controlling the space to be allowed to have free rein, after a while.