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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Loooool have fun with your shitty wine. Besides you can't even have your own champagne as it's location trademarked.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.

Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

In my experience you get a pretty aweful wine in the US if you don't spend at least $10-15. In France and Italy, you get decent wines for 4-5€ and excellent wines for 10-15€. Nobody buys more expensive wines except maybe real connoisseurs.

[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago

Turns out the sun and vine do most of the work huh

[–] neo2478@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

But no matter how good it is, it will never be called champagne

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there's nothing France can do about it.

The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there's someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen's agreements.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

@veroxii @neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there's not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I'm sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/

[–] person1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yup. A lot of US income comes from predatory IP laws.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@person1 imagine if we applied normal copyright to Disney

[–] person1@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

yeah. it is called disney law in usa for a reason

[–] person1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

...or was it mickey mouse law

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@person1 I work in publishing for schools and it is *so* difficult/expensive to publish support for literature or media. Fair use & fair dealing laws can only get you so far. Great Gatsby finally coming out of copyright was a big moment. But the reason it's come out is of course because it's not actually recent literature any more.

[–] person1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

what do you mean by "publish support"?

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@person1 textbooks! And now ebooks and e-learning platforms. Look at this extract as an example of y, or analyse it to find examples of x, or watch this performance of a scene from a play as a good example of z.

[–] person1@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

thank you for clarifying :) I think here in Poland academia is covered by fair use, not fully sure though

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

That's made globally.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 1 points 4 days ago

@HenriVolney well yeah, there are *brands* but I don't think there are any geographical designations to compete with eg champagne, other than bourbon.

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 1 points 3 days ago

There was a Central American country that demonstrated damages by the US, and was authorised by the International Courts to ignore US IP up to the value of damages claimed?

I think it was Belize and illegal blocks on gambling websites (because folks were still able to use US based gambling websites).

My point is that if the US ignores internationally recognised rules, such as regional naming, and causes demonstrated damage then it doesn't have to be repaid in like.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.

But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.

Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.

[–] thessnake03@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

celebrated for its excellence

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 4 days ago

Or rather: Mwaaaaah thefrenchchampangeiscelebratedforitsexcellence.

[–] FreeRangeMustard@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

It’s piss, isn’t it?

[–] pauldrye@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

You probably should not be surprised to learn that the US does not entirely recognize the appellation. If the wine was marketed as "Champagne" prior to 2006, they may use the name in the United States.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago

European wine is no better than American and I say that with a complete lack of national pride lol