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Germany's domestic intelligence agency last week classified the largest opposition party, the AfD, as "confirmed right-wing extremist." This has intensified debates over whether or not to ban the party.

On Friday, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) was classified as "confirmed right-wing extremist" by Germany's domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV).

Now, there has been a first fallout: two AfD politicians and parliamentarians are not allowed to accompany Hesse's Minister for European affairs, Manfred Pentz, on a trip to Serbia and Croatia. Pentz explained that he could not expect international partners "to sit down at the same table with representatives of a party that has been confirmed as right-wing extremist."

Further measures also threaten the radical right-wing party: several federal states want to examine whether being a civil servant, including judges, police officers, teachers, or soldiers, is still compatible with being a member of the AfD.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 121 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That's what we needed to do with MAGA.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 6 points 20 hours ago

Fuck no!

They're self-identifying.

We needed to execute Trump for treason, then everyone with a Maga had should have been tracked for life as potential security threats.

[–] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump should serve as a warning. Get the fascists before they get you. These far-right parties will all be looking to emulate Trump's actions if they get a sniff of power.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but they already got us

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Good thing nothing is permanent in politics.

[–] KernelTale@programming.dev 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The fall of democracy in USA could have reset the 250 years countdown, so even if what you have said is true we might have to wait another 250 years.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Is the 250 year countdown how long societies are supposed to last or am I missing something?

[–] KernelTale@programming.dev 2 points 12 hours ago

Specifically for empires it's their average lifespan.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s what we needed to do with the Republican Party. They’re one and the same at this point.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While I don't disagree with you in principle, the reality of having only 1 political party after this also doesn't look particularly good.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 23 hours ago

Ideally if it happened the dems would just become the right wing party and other actually left wing parties would appear. But with how screwed up the election system is in America we'd just end up in same place 😭

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's likely to blow-back domestically. Like other countries around the world, Germany's far right nationalist party has strong domestic support right now. This may silence some politicians, bit t doesn't address the underlying issues, nor the reasons that ppl are wandering towards fascism.

My opinion is that general failures of liberal parties to actually make life better, and reduce corruption. People have lost faith.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Never in my life hage I known people (in Germany, but probably everywhere) to he happy with politics. I would also argue that for the vast majority (again, here in Germany) life has improved over the past decades.

IMO the reason for right wing surges aren't actual real-world problems or failings of ruling parties (though flawed they are), but the new forms of propaganda and outreach that right wing parties have mastered, and left wing parties have failed at.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

I would say it more like "forms of propaganda (lies) that extreme right wing parties are willing to stoop to that left wing parties are not".

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I don't live in Germany, so won't disagree. I think that propaganda wouldn't work if people weren't already looking for someone to blame.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They have strong domestic support because they have been poisoning the public debate with always jumping on migration and inventing stories as well as blowing things out of proportion and the media and other parties playing along. The more politics shifted to the right because of the AfD, the stronger the AfD became.

Their ideas and the way they conduct themselves was normalized, so people approve of it, because they think it is normal and legitimate. If you make it clear that it is neither, it will defuse the far right. Also by banning them, their organizations are dismantled, their politicians thrown out of power and their assets seized.

If you want to stop a fire you need to stop fueling it with self-igniting fuel. Only then can you extinguish the fire.

It's the same shit as the economist arguing against le pen being banned from running in France. Heaven forbid she and her party broke the fucking law and are being held accountable. They think the public somehow knows better.

Newsflash- we have laws for a reason. Laws without punishment are useless and so is a government that refuses to respect them. They will sow their own destruction with abdication.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"My opinion is that general failures of liberal parties to actually make life better, and reduce corruption. People have lost faith."

They absolutely have lost both faith and hope. Our institutions lack integrity.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 3 points 20 hours ago

I think that is the global phenomenon

The Germans have gone through their MAGA phase already though, so the hope has always been they'd have their shit sorted if it happened again. Here's hoping that proves to be true.