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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This article is well-argued, well-written, and moot. Rule of law has been replaced with rule of Trump, and it's downright quaint to pretend that precedent, illegality, or the constitution are still in play.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Still good to articulate all the violations. Well informed populace and all that jazz.

Yes. Moot since the Supreme Court said the president is immune from prosecution due to official acts

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 63 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Long gone are the days where something being against the law essentially meant it couldn't be done. You can scream that the things they're doing are illegal, but at this point it doesn't even matter; the law has lost its relevancy, and won't stop or even slow down the people in charge.

Laws are for other people, duh.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Trump has already been ignoring the rulings of judges. Successfully, I might add. And without any consequences.

This means that the rule of law is now over, and that the constitution is irrelevant and ultimately unenforceable.

This is always the game plan of fascists: to remove from power anyone in a high enough position who would obey legal processes, such that when true opposition occurs, there is no-one left who will enforce the law. Then they can move out into the open, pull down any part of the law or the legal system that they don’t like, and start doing the truly reprehensible stuff.

It’s why they objected to Obama filling that Supreme Court position that opened up (which he had full legal rights to re-fill), so that they could pack it with a crony that they could control, stacking the Supreme Court in their favour. And just look at how corrupt it has become.

Mark my words, shit is going to get really dark within the next six months to a year. Like, concentration camp dark.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I sure wish you were wrong, but you're not, damn it.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago

The first amendment and the rest of the constitution is only as valid as it is enforced.

The legal justice system has allowed Trump to shit all over the law with zero consequences (other than some showy mugshot and pony-show bullshit like that) thus far.

The armada of military personnel and federal employees who've sworn an oath to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic, have yet to step up.

The only route to justice with even a shred of possibility of actually happening is if the next guy doesn't fucking miss... and there aren't many people willing to gamble their life/freedom on taking that shot. There likely aren't any people left who're willing to take that shot. But that fantasy is the basket holding every single one of our eggs.

Tldr, the law doesn't mean shit, and we're most likely fucked.

[–] MrTrono@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago

Pretending that the law matters during a fascist coup is not productive.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

Wow, someone should tell Trump he's not allowed to do that!

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

The only thing evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing and that is exactly what is happening. But are they really good if they stand by and do nothing.

Well someone better tell the people doing the firing, I guess?

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 5 points 5 days ago

Oh so they cannot oh.. Okay... Cool... Yeah... Let me guess, it's against the law? The law that the same loyalty purge persons uphold and the same laws that your dictator explicitly said he will ignore? Those laws?

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Backed up by what? Stern talking to? Fear of embarrassment? Public pressure? A moral compass? Perhaps there is another Amendment that applies when all else has failed...

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

I appreciate the discourse and that you took the time to link the article. Unfortunately, I think the only thing that article does is lay out an effective strategy for the offending party to delay, escalate, enrich, and flee.

To the final point of the article saying that eventually you would get all sorts of pressure to restabilize from entrenched parties... This administration is incapable of understanding the implications of a destabilized United States. Literally incapable. Their world view is so skewed and their echo chamber so closed that it would be like a cancer having to realize that limiting its growth is good for both it and the host. It doesn't have the mechanisms to self regulate. Neither does our current oligarchy.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is why they get them to resign in disgust / protest as well.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 6 days ago

McCarthy begs to differ

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago (1 children)

🤣😂

Does anyone actually believe that "The First Amendment forbids" matters to the current occupant(s) of the Oval Office one tiny whit...??

And I've little to no faith our current courts will either care or, if they do care, will have any teeth.

🫏🤡🫏🤡

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We’re gonna be fine. All the Second Amendment folks have assured us for decades we had to let them keep their guns because the Second Amendment is there to protect the First Amendment.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In this scenario, everyone should be a second amendment person.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

literally what I've been telling anti-gun leftists for years, the sort that want them all outright banned -- I know my history well enough to know what happens when people without guns go up against people with guns. It doesn't end well for the people without guns.

The Second Amendment is for everyone, not just Republicans. The genie is already out of the lamp, we can't put it back, all we can do now is make sure we're just as well prepared for a fight.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Sure they can. Trump doesn't care if it results in thousands of suits against the government he isn't on the hook for any of this. He never will be. It's disgusting.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And be reinstated by the courts. But that takes time

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

So far courts are also being ignored. It’s going to take time to work its way up, but eventually will depend on whether there is enough integrity in the Supreme Court to uphold the constitution and the court’s prerogatives. It depends on whether there is enough integrity in Congress to uphold separation of powers, the Constitution, or at least enough self-interest to protect Congress’s prerogatives

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We've had a lot of those so far; for the most part, people are getting court orders to put things back. It's that the Musk/Trump administration keeps doing new things, for which there isn't yet a court order telling them to stop it.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Well also, Trump hasn't pulled the trigger on ignoring court orders yet.

If he runs out of new stuff to try he's probably going to pull an Andrew Jackson i.e. "The Court has made its ruling, now let them enforce it."

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Too bad the people supposed to be enforcing that part of the Constitution are the ones doing the firing right now.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not yet clear that the courts will go along with it.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

laws and court orders are literally meaningless if no one enforces it

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago

The other civil servants around them are likely to welcome back colleagues.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago