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Hi everyone, I use Linux on all my machines since a decade. Unfortunately my laptops are getting older and I will probably have to change them soon. Which Laptops would you recommend me to buy in 2025 a part Librem?

I don't have a high budget but I'm still looking for something relatively recent. I looked on H-node but it seems that there are not a lot of recent things.

I use Debian as a distro.

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[–] Arehandoro@lemmy.ml 2 points 32 minutes ago (1 children)

Do you want mainstream brands that work well with Linux? Lenovo or Dell

Do you want smaller brands that are specialised and support Linux? Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook, Purism...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 26 minutes ago

Tuxedo is a bit hit or miss. Used one for 2 years and wasn't happy with the case quality. The plastic basically broke at some edges and screw holes

The hardware also wasn't as Linux compatible as they claim. 5Ghz wifi just didn't work reliably. With their support page saying the fix is to disable 5Ghz

[–] Canuck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 minutes ago

Been happy with my Purism Librem 14, and soon they'll have a 16". I think today, I'd probably buy their 11" tablet. Perfect travel size and you don't need to put it away during takeoff and landing of flights.

[–] PancakeBrock@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

I bought the Asus Tuf A16 AMD Advantage laptop. I installed Arch on it and it's been great. Got it for $600 on eBay. Put 32gb of RAM in it and a 2tb nvme drive into the second slot. Left the 512gb drive it came with.

[–] eugenia@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

I personally buy refurbished. Lately I got a Lenovo X280 thinkpad, for $160 with 8 GB of RAM, 1080p screen. Worked fine, Linux flies on it.

[–] chrand@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

If you have budget, Thinkpads can't go wrong. You can also find refurbished.

Tuxedo and Framework are also excellent choices.

[–] Andrew@mnstdn.monster 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe not what you're looking for, but I use Asahi Linux on an old M1 MacBook Air and it's quite nice. I bought it used for $480 last year.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Does everything work on it? Sleep/hibernate too?

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 50 minutes ago

Pretty sure the mic does not work if you need to have video meetings.

[–] Andrew@mnstdn.monster 1 points 1 hour ago

I think hibernate is a missing function - I've never tried it though. Here's a good write-up on the pros/cons and potential issue depending on your use case :
https://www.anuragrao.site/blog/05-asahi-linux

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

I have had a Tuxedo InfinityBook 14 Gen7, and I've been happy with it. They focus on hardware that has a good compatibility with Linux, so it works well out of the box without any tinkering. You say you don't have a high budget though, so these might be too expensive (I believe you can get similar specs at a lower price), but I've also been very satisfied with the after sales service they have provided - I've had some issues with it since I got it, but if it was Tuxedo specific (or appeared to me to be Tuxedo specific), and thus not easy to find general troubleshooting help online, I contacted them and I was helped out promptly, both via e-mail and the phone.

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago

Go to an electronics recycling center and get a retired thinkpad (or 5). Once they’re decommissioned by corporations, they wipe the drive and send them off to be recycled.

[–] lambipapp@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I've been eyeing the slimbook lineup as of late. I am just waiting for someone to drop a review of the slimbook creative.

[–] Moltz@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

That logo on the bezzel, though

😬

[–] padge@lemmy.zip 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm loving my Framework, have Mint on there. Thinkpads are also well regarded I believe

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but new ThinkPads comes with soldered RAMs. Even mostly all brands do the same. I think framework don't do it

[–] EffortlessEffluvium@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Whether a Thinkpad has soldered RAM or not is model-by-model thing. When I was laptop shopping I tried to stick to the only non-soldered ones, but they are definitely more expensive, as they are the higher-end models. I absolutely cannot wait for CAMM to, if it ever does, become a normal thing for RAM modules.

[–] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago
[–] tiny@midwest.social 7 points 11 hours ago

Depends on budget but if your budget is above $800 get a framework they are awesome and work great with Linux if your budget is below that look at an e series Thinkpad or used thinkpad on eBay that fits your budget

[–] gbin@lemmy.ca 52 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Try Framework.

You'll get a laptop sized to your budget and you'll be able to grow with it, upgrade any part your budget will allow in the future.

Their linux support is excellent.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Yes, Framework!

It's great, works perfectly, and you support something (principals, ways) worth supporting!
Something what won't lead to/support further enshitification of all the things.
(And we might even get usable RISC–V laptops fairly soon - to even further ditch megacorps.)

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Framework laptops are not great actually. They basically are offloading their qa/qc onto customers. They routinely ship defective units new out of the box and try to make you do all their engineering work for them.

The quality of the components is meh at best. If I were doing it again, I would go the ThinkPad route.

Framework is a bunch of VC funded shills who see the right to repair movement as a resource they can exploit.

[–] modcolocko@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

not to be a downer but you could very likely buy a higher performing laptop than even the top framework laptop for less money than even a minimal build

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 28 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Yes, but that's not the point of framework

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but in the future when you need or want to upgrade again, it's a fairly trivial cost because you're reusing 90% of the parts. It's an investment.

Not to mention if there's any kind of mechanical issue in the future.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

reusing 90% of the parts

Oops you need a whole new mainboard anyway to upgrade the CPU... oops you need new DDR5 RAM for the new CPU... oops these framework parts cost a premium at about the same cost as a new laptop anyay. Congrats, you now have an upgraded laptop in an old case that's already gone through wear and tear... at least you kept the SSD that could have been popped into a new laptop as a secondary drive?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 5 points 11 hours ago

Oops you need a whole new mainboard anyway to upgrade the CPU

Yes that would be the 10% I was referring to.

oops you need new DDR5 RAM for the new CPU

...and the other new computer you want to buy doesn't?

oops these framework parts cost a premium

You pay a little more for the 10% of new parts but it's easily accounted for in the other 90%.

Congrats, you now have...an old case that's already gone through wear and tear...

...so? You saved buckets of money in the process...

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[–] jamesbunagna@discuss.online 7 points 13 hours ago

Consider taking a look at this criminally underrated Linux-first vendor: NovaCustom. Prices aren't cheap, unfortunate. But it boasts hardware from about a year ago. Furthermore, NovaCustom takes Libre very seriously: from supporting coreboot to offering blob-free WiFi-cards.

[–] countrypunk@slrpnk.net 7 points 13 hours ago

You can get a used thinkpad T480 off eBay for ~$150. I've dropped it multiple times and spilled orange juice on it and it works perfectly fine. No issues running Linux mint Debian edition. Main drawback is the fan which isn't the most efficient at cooling, but it is upgradeable.

[–] iz_ok@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I bought a Framework laptop then threw Pop OS on it. I have no issues. They sell refurbished devices and they are modular so you can swap out whatever is giving you issues.

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[–] hossein@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 11 hours ago

If something supports linux-libre kernel, it supports all distros. See https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Hardware-Considerations.html

Also: https://www.h-node.org/

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)
[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

I unfortunately had disabling experiences with the System76 Pangolin (12). Since then I would absolutely not recommend System76.

[–] j4yt33@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago

I don't like that their 14" model only comes with intel CPUs

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[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 19 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Used ThinkPad's are pretty common on Ebay.

They're what I use. Also with Debian.

"Recent" is a factor of how much you're willing to shell out.

$300.00USD will get you a good Debian compatible box. You may want to then replace the battery and/or add RAM. Those are both found inexpensively also.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

DELL Latitude laptops. They're designed for work, come with repair guides from DELL, and have upgradeability. The 5310 is one of the longest-lasting laptops for battery life you can get for $200-300 on ebay (over 8 hours battery video streaming, I've done this) that still has half decent specs (16-64GB RAM upgradeable, upgradeable m.2 wifi / bt adapter, NVMe SSD upgradeable, i5 10th gen)

Runs fine on Debian Stable

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[–] gay4dudes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I would recommend a Thinkpad. I have an E14, you can get them for under 800 Bucks. The Linux support is awesome ,under Fedora everything works out of the box.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (5 children)

I'm hearing good things about Framework, provided you get the hinge upgrade.

If you need something beefier, personally I'm using a Lenovo Legion 7 (2024 version... that white one, bought it a few months ago), and I'm loving it. Linux Mint worked out of the box, but I chose to replace the stock wifi driver with a better one.

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[–] sga@lemmings.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I would reccomend the current configuration that I am running, It is a customised lenovo laptop that I got for little less than $390 (Not us citizen, and we have mid-high taxes, but i got roughly 5% off as student discount and another 5% for credit card payment, and you also apply the CUSTOMOFF coupon for rougly 5% more) - It is lenovo v14 G4 (you can also try to get 16 inch if you prefer that, differnce is roughly $10-20) - 2 things to note - I did not select a ram or storage upgrade - it comes with 8GiB soldered, but there is one slot free, and I added 16GiB which I already had, also I had my 512 GiB SSD, which i swapped with its 256 GiB one. If you would like to, you can get both of these upgraded for about $50 USD. Also you can choose between a 3 cell battery, or a 2 cell and a harddrive (this choice is only available in 16 inch one though).

List of upgrades that I did

Processor AMD Ryzen™ 7 7730U Processor (2.00 GHz up to 4.50 GHz) selected upgrade Display 35.56cms (14) FHD (1920 x 1080), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, 45%NTSC, 300 nits, Battery 3 Cell Li-Polymer 45Wh selected upgrade

Here is a link for configurator (not affiliated or anything else)

https://www.lenovo.com/in/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=82YXCTO1WWIN1

I checked this config not available in US

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