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The answer to "what is Firefox?" on Mozilla's FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, "is Firefox free?" Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people's data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

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[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Soon the only private option left will be to curl the website, read the html and picture it in my head.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago

stallman was right

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 17 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Are there any specifics about this? It all seems fairly theoretical to me. What do they [want to] do that contradicts "doesn't sell your personal data" within the context of the fluid definition of "sell"? Do they sell my personal data or don't they? What definitions of "sell" are relevant here?

It's all sounding a bit Bill Clinton to me: "it depends on your definition of 'is'."

[–] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

One thing to keep in mind is thar mozilla is now an ad company and can use this data itself for whatever advertising it wants to sell, so they dont even need a third party they can just sell targeted ads directly to companies while not technically "sharing" the info they gather to anyone.

Basically, why sell the data to other people when you can profit from using it directly?

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago

The ambiguity is the smoking gun.

[–] Avenging5@sh.itjust.works 17 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

Now that Mozilla's fucked. What's the next option that's not Chromium?

[–] wittycomputer@feddit.org 1 points 42 minutes ago

Librewolf, degoogled chromium, private windows. If you don't want your data to be sold, don't give out your data.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 34 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
  • Mozilla is sliding down a slippery slope to enshitification; but they're still near the top of that slide. The bad stuff hasn't actually come yet. So Firefox is still top-tier in the short term.
  • In the medium term, we can look towards a fork such as Librewolf or Waterfox.
  • And in the long term, we'll probably turn to a new project using Ladybird or Servo.
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 7 hours ago

It do be a slippery slope though

[–] free@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Disable tor in tor browser.

[–] dai@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago

Ladybird in a few years, forks of Firefox for now.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

That isn't ready for common use by most people until there they offer binaries for easy installation.

[–] SirHery@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

A different fork from firefox like librewolf

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