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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago) by qaz@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
 

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • Remove Brave
  • Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • Add GrapheneOS
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • Maybe remove Bluesky
  • Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)
  • Add ente because Immich is selfhosted
  • Add aurora
  • Add SearxNG

Any other suggestions?

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Add SearxNG as a search engine option.

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Delta chat is basically email.

and how is that exactly a problem? the protocol is email, but email done right is actually good and fast, as it can be tested if you actually try out the app. The new chatmail servers are optimized for chatting, the main reason classic email providers suck is because they have to deal with spam and arbitrary decisions like gray-listing etc

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren't part of the base protocol.

Delta chat is basically email.

It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK

Why? Because it's torrents?

Yes, it's not really a good alternative since it's illegal. I'm not judging but it's not a good option for most people.

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

Droid-ify is F-droid

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (1 children)

Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren’t part of the base protocol.

Just because it is not part of the base protocol, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or supports it.

I like it for personal reasons. Just because is lightweight and there are way much more servers than matrix, imho makes it better. However, In the end it boils down to personal preferences and your attack surface.

It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK

WHen i tried it years ago, it was just a normal email with a special subject that the delta chat client would read, parse and display.

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

WHen i tried it years ago

you should try it again, Delta Chat is totally on a different level than a few years ago, there has been tons of improvements, I started using it around 2018, now I am even contributing to it

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Obtainum + F-Droid is best combo.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

FYI, droid-ify is an F-droid app

[–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

I know I also used it but it's just like frontend for F-Droid repo. That's why I said F-Droid

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why are brave, lineage os and youtube revanced there, but not aurora store

[–] accideath@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

And Stremio but not Jellyfin?

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Fun that Element is on the list, while there is a 3rd bill attempt in a year to forbid or bypass encryption in instant messaging. Europe maybe not as fascist as US or Russia, it's still is a shitty capitalist and imperialist place.

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Yes exactly I'm mostly on-board with this flyer, I particularly like that tagline. But the inclusion of the EU flag is just completely bewildering to me, even as an EU resident myself. Are there really people out there who see the EU as some sort of bastion of freedom and justice?! Or is this some noncredibledefense-esque ironic meme that I'm too dumb to understand?

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel like there would be value in having a "self hosted" column or tag. Like I think jellyfin should be on this list but if I went to switch from a streaming service to a self hosted jellyfin I'd be immediately upset that this list isn't offering alternatives that are "ready to play" so to speak.

Just a friction point deterrence.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, if I create my own version I will add something to differentiate.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 27 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don't give them choice paralysis too.

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I completely agree! I switched to Linux Mint yesterday, and please don’t give me a bunch of alternatives before even deciding to try out Linux 🤣 Took me much longer to take the leap BECAUSE of all those alternatives.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

How's it going so far?

[–] based_raven@lemm.ee 9 points 9 hours ago

I honestly agree here. Better to suggest a specific distro than just saying "use Linux".

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Lineage OS doesn't support Bootloader Re-locking (well tbf that's a manufacturer issue) and Verified Boot, so its a huge security issue. Like, if you want to avoid google and have security, Graphene OS is the only real option for a phone, which ironically, is only available on a Google Phone 🙃

Netflix... ---> thepiratebay[DOT]org (replace [DOT] with a dot) 🏴‍☠️😉 (might need a VPN since some countries block it, and you wouldn't want to torrent without a VPN anyways)

And Briar for messaging (Android Only). It's all Peer-to-Peer, and doesn't go through ANY central servers, maximum independence. And censorship resistant because of default Tor usage, and also local Bluetooth synching for like mass protests, in case your government also gets a bit... fascist... and shut down the internet.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

Theres also CalyxOS, which is not only easier to install than lineage, but also relocks the bootloader and includes MicroG, which improves overall compatibility (especially regarding banking apps).

[–] LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

torrents-csv.com works great

[–] notthebees@reddthat.com 1 points 7 hours ago

Lineageos apparently does but you need to build and sign it yourself

[–] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Linux Mint is the simplest Linux distro if you come from Windows, unless there are others that recommendation is pretty much accurate.

Anyone else who uses other distros on a daily basis will simply skip that recommendation.

[–] MonkeyBrawler@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

Nobara is a really solid distro for gamers. It's packaged with a lot of stuff to streamline the setup.

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Also add Fairphone (Netherlands) and Nothing (UK) as alternatives to iPhone and other Androids.

[–] keyez@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I thought that section was more to get away from stock android and google rather than just US companies, I have a nothing phone and it very much uses regular android and google services though the bootloader is unlockable to install something like LineageOS.

[–] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

So as someone who recently went from MacOS to Linux (at least partially) Mint is terrible for macOS users. It is like going back to windows. I get it is the easiest for Windows users but maybe add a row for Macos to Fedora or something (but maybe it is too complicated, I just know most mac users would scoff at Mint's interface).

[–] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Have you tried https://hyprland.org/? I installed on an Mac Air (2013) over Arch and it works surprisingly well. Otherwise, if you want the macOS touch you could try https://elementary.io/

[–] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I have not yet :) Currently using Fedora XFCE, my first distro (tried Mint as well but wasn't for me) as most others failed to install on my mac and Fedora workstation was too slow on the old thing.

XFCE is however really good for keyboard navigation, never have to touch my mouse. My biggest issue with GNOME coming from MacOS was that keyboard navigation in the GUI was very inconsistent. The part that I always liked with MacOS was overall design philosophy enforced everywhere. Still, for many Mac users GNOME is probably still preferable because it is so incredibly readable, just works and looks good.

I'll look into hyprland, thank you!

[–] treverflume@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Bazzite is also worth looking into if you enjoy fedora.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Actually a solid point, we should suggest a flavor of Linux that prefers Gnome for Mac users. It's the closest default to their workflow afaik

[–] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

This is the pic that made me join

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Nice, if you have any questions about Lemmy feel free to ask

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[–] Marty_Man_X@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I get the desire to post "simple" answers like this. And while some of the recommends do make sense... I believe the lists should be better researched. A few other comments also pointed out some of the issues already.

I've noticed with a lot of these lists that worse/unreasonable/less private/less secure/not even European or FOSS are being recommended as alternatives and I think they do more harm than good for people that might need genuine help making this process more simple. They also tend to miss a lot of excellent alternatives.

For what it's worth, these lists oversimplify and can't take into account individual needs, so own research is always necessary IMO.

For me, it's paramount that the software we use is secure and privacy respecting / transparent. A great resource for good recommendations is: privacyguides.org .

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 hours ago

I see that this is focused on foss alternatives streaming wide I would suggest mubi and your local library which often include streaming services. At least here in Germany.

[–] wieson@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

I recently found edupad.ch for collaborative writing.

It's very simple, and - most important of all - doesn't require an account.

I'm using it for the first time, so I don't have much of a review, but the first impression is very good for my use case.

[–] sevenOfKnives@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

signal is a good option for messaging. it is technically american, but i feel like FOSS projects should generally get a pass.

also, as an american who is very not okay with what our (russia's) government (puppet) is doing, wouldn't supporting non-american businesses mean paying the tariffs and supporting the oligarchs? i'm not really sure what us yanks can do besides just trying not to spend ANY money.

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