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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[–] Jakule17@lemmy.world 24 points 9 hours ago

We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 46 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

That’s not a good example, the US does not rely on the UK to defend itself.

[–] Podunk@lemmy.world 1 points 40 minutes ago

To that point, lets be real, even the united states doesnt really care about new mexico. Crimea in this argument has actual economic value.

Honestly any square foot of what russia has stolen from Ukraine has so much more economic value in comparison to new mexico, its hardly a realistic comparison.

I get what you are saying. But taos vs a warm water sea port is such an insane comparison. Its so much worse. Albuquerque? Let em have it. Santa fe? Please.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

I saw a mouse poop and its poop was saying that Ukraine should give territory and other things. I just ignored it and moved on my trail this morning. Can't let poop dictate world order.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 30 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Oh fuck off, Rubio.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 95 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 49 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.

We negotiate with terrorists all the time.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It's like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Ken: Colonel, the guy you bagged is Dr. Amir Teraki, Pakistani. PhD in Astrophysics, educated at Harvard.

Colonel Tom Devoe: That's right, people. We educated half the world's terrorists.

The Peacemaker wasn't that well received but that line stuck with me.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk 21 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

That US never existed.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 40 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 18 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

Ukraine had security "guarantees" when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (7 children)

Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

Don't need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 57 minutes ago

NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.

[–] supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Security garantee is only worth as much as the nation giving it wants to honour it.

With this president is meaningless

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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 38 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 55 minutes ago

That’s not realistic unfortunately

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 55 minutes ago

If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

Türkiye would love to be the nation that resolves this.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago

Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 293 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 247 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

[–] Nunar@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago

Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we're going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

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