This is the inevitable conclusion of decades of justifying endless violence by labeling people "terrorists". The word has no meaning other than "target of the state". And now the state is this.
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terrorism
n 1: the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
Well, kind of sounds like textbook terrorism. And to be clear, I'm cheering on these terrorists. This is terrorist on terrorist action and, in my opinion, a fair and fitting response.
If that's the definition, then I think it's textbook not at all terrorism. One of the standard definitions of violence, and the one that I agree with, is using force to hurt a person or living being. In other words, you can't use violence against an empty car dealership in the middle of the night. So it's not violent.
The target is the company owned by Elon Musk, and he is a member of the government. In other words, the act of inflammation is a protest against the government, not against civilians.
It depends on the arsonist, but I don't see these acts as ones that are designed to make people fear anything. Rather, they are designed to help people band together and fight against Elon Musk and his evil Nazi ways.
And then you've misidentified the goal. I think one of the goals, other than helping people band together, is to hurt Elon Musk's company economically. Now you might argue that people want to inflict economic costs upon him because of related political goals, but now you're getting into indirect reasoning, which would allow you to argue that anything, any act at all, or not acting in the first place, counts as terrorism.
In other words, you can’t use violence against an empty car dealership in the middle of the night. So it’s not violent.
Enough damage to that dealership costs someone money. That's harm.
Maybe not a lot of harm. But it's harm.
Still not violence
Depends on the motives and way it happens. That is a valuable perspective but reality could be grim.
It's not terrorism if it's not even trying to kill people. That's just destruction of property or arson in this case.
Property damage is not violence against civilians.
What if I blew up a water tower?
Or burned down every grocery store in the city? (At night, while no-one was there to get hurt)
Who is the intended audience of that comment that you believe will equate sources of food and water to swasticars?
Then your act of vandalism/sabotage would have effects that harms people. Is this so difficult for you to understand? SMH.
Anything that's not the state is civilian. That includes civilian property. And I, too, cheer on violence against the oppressive class.
I don't consider property destruction "violence". Violence for me can only occur if there is a nervous system involved. Defining it otherwise seems a bit disingenuous, imo. Vandalism is not the same as an act against a person or animal.
If I break into your home and trash the place, it's not violence? You should speak to people who experienced that. Granted, this is between real people and not corporations. And there is a line, somewhere, between vandalism and destruction where it turns to violence. It's compIicated. I just completely disagree with the statement that destruction of property is never violence.
They try to make it equivalent so they can classify people who smash windows in protest as "violent criminals" in order to increase the penalties which is a complete mischaracterization. If the act of vandalism has knock on effects then those are separate from the act itself and should be dealt with separately.
Property is not people though.
Otherwise shorting companies would also be terrorism.
What you're missing is Trump includes holding a sign as an "attack"
just put maga on the sign
Those are the "goodie" terrorists... The fascists!
He's talking about the "baddie" terrorists... The antifascists!
Their goal is also to normalize political persecution through designating everything antifascist as a crime.
Easy. Just run for president and pardon yourself. Duh.
Guess that means they get a free pardon. The opposition should start calling them Patriots & promising them pardons.
Source?
Ken Klippenstein is a well known and well respected journalist.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
Not trying to be rude, but he should be a good enough source even though this is only a screenshot. Here's a link to the skeet (is that what they're called? gross?):
https://bsky.app/profile/kenklippenstein.bsky.social/post/3lk4te5j6tk24
But if that's not enough here's Reuters corroborating the same point:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-buy-new-tesla-show-support-musk-2025-03-11/
Trump says violence against Tesla is domestic terrorism
This took me less than three minutes to search, compile, and post. Cheers.
EDIT: The edits took longer because I'm also a dumbass and make a lot of silly mistakes and typos.
Reuters collaborating the same point
I think you mean corroborating
You know, 99% is still an A+
I am indeed a dumbass and that is indeed what I meant. *hats off
Casual reminder, fuck Tesla. Fuck Elon. Damn swasticars, and a nazi to boot!
Thank you!
Ken... Klipppenstein..?
The names right there. Maybe one of the most famous journalists in the current, albeit fragmented, era?
https://youtu.be/itOd-DplBtA?t=23
...they're harming a great American company
I'd argue that Musk himself is also harming the company by exhibiting behaviors that Tesla's target customers find objectionable. If I didn't know Tesla shareholders better, I would have thought he should have been released from his position as CEO by now.