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[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 1 points 47 minutes ago

doesn't vim come with the Ubuntu installation?

[–] chad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

Learned C++ by using gedit on the Sun machines in my college's computer lab in 2007. They were decommissioned shortly after I graduated.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

At one of my jobs around 2010 there was a dev in the office who wrote all his code in Notepad. When I joined the staff they were still using Classic ASP. My job was to help them (finally) migrate to ASP.Net. He intended to develop .Net apps in Notepad rather than learn how to use VS. I got laid off due to cutbacks and never found out what kind of luck he had wit dat.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 10 points 11 hours ago

At uni I did a lot of my Java coursework in notepad, then I’d have to take it into a computer lab on a floppy, tar it and upload it to a unix terminal so it could be emailed to the professor. Java syntax with only the command line compiler is not fun.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Vim and emacs are text editors.

Vs code is a code editor (but really it's also just a text editor)

Maybe they mean IDEs like visual studio?

I've never really heard it called a coding GUI before.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

So an IDE is a code editor that ships with an LSP server, not just an LSP interface? (Doesn't have to be LSP as such but "stuff that an LSP server does").

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 hour ago

For me a web app IDE includes a DB manger, HTML previewer, etc.

A text editor edits text, an IDE is an Environment that Integrates Development tools.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I would say that an IDE is something that includes build/run tools integrated into it. Everything else is just a text editor. (But that's just my opinion of course)

To expand on my point, I don't think it makes sense to call vs code an integrated development environment if it doesn't actually have the environment integrated.

Visual studio and idea would be examples of IDEs, they actually have all of the tools and frameworks needed to run the languages they were built for out of the box.

You can't run node or python out of the box with just vs code for example, without their respective tooling, all vscode can do is edit the code and editing code is not functionally different from editing any other text.

So I maintain that both vim and vscode are text editors and not IDEs

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

I'd say build and run tools are pretty integrated into vim. Type :mak and there you go, it's not like vs studio would be a single process either.

[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Vim and emacs usually run in the terminal and require keyboard commands to complete actions.

A GUI IDE like vscode or pycharm has mouse driven menus and buttons, although of course it's possible to use keyboard commands.

That to me is the difference. Personally, I use vim mod with pycharm and some messy hybrid combination of vim commands and ctrl + ?

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Vs code has no integrated environment though, it's just a text editor that supports plugins, you still need to install python or node or .net or Java or gcc, etc.

As far as vim requiring keyboard commands, that's really only the case if you leave mouse mode off

set mouse=a

And of course, to muddy the water further, we have tools like https://helix-editor.com/ which, more closely approximate vs code, while happening to live in a terminal.

I maintain that in order to qualify as an IDE and not a glorified text editor, you must be able to, out of the box, without external dependencies, run and build the code it was built for (idea/visual studio) otherwise it's not very integrated, and I don't think you need to have nice graphics for that qualification.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

That boy is gonna be a murderer

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 13 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I code using grep's search and replace.

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[–] sockpuppetsociety@lemm.ee 8 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

As long as you don't use Microsoft Word we can be friends

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[–] Plumbob@lemmy.zip 37 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

"Me who codes with the text editor that came with Ubuntu"...

So VIM?

[–] moody@lemmings.world 17 points 14 hours ago

More like gedit

[–] zorro@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't it ship with nano these days?

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 28 minutes ago

Both, last I checked.

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[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 58 points 17 hours ago (10 children)

I genuinely do a lot of coding in Kate, the standard KDE editor. It's enough to do a lot of things, has highlighting, and is more than enough when you just need a quick fix.

I am also still using nano when editing stuff in the terminal. Please, don't judge me.

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

To be fair, Kate isn't just a text editor, it actually is an IDE. The text editor version would be kwrite, which would be horrible to program in.

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[–] Daniikk1012@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (10 children)
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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

text editor application that came with Ubuntu

nano

shivers

[–] Conclusionallusion@lemm.ee 8 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

I'm probably in the minority but I think it's fantastic! No extra baggage, super quick to work with, and it does syntax highlighting pretty well!

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 3 points 8 hours ago

Nah man, I'm with you, nano is no nonsense get shit done editor. It might not have advanced features but I'm not an advanced man.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

It's also self explanatory, which is great if you're new.

Ed and Vim are basically arcane by comparison.

[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Sure, but learning the very basics of vi/m (and by that I just mean navigation, selection, cutting, and word jumps like e and b), you'll immediately run circles around anyone using nano

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 hours ago

I also love it. It was my go-to back when I had to walk inexperienced sysadmins through configuring stuff, in my tech support days. I really appreciate all the commands being listed at the bottom.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

Every self-respecting vi user should know enough ex to get by with ed.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 14 hours ago

I write all my code on paper and use OCR to convert it. It almost works sometimes.

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 18 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] TinyRhino@lemm.ee 22 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

If you're not writing it all down on paper and then punching holes in cards, you're doing it all wrong

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