i've used dvorak but I plan to switch to a charachorder
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I retrained myself in Dvorak many years back, and really enjoyed using it much better than QWERTY. I had to revert back to qwerty because of commercial standardizations/limitations at different workplaces, unfortunately.
All that to say that workman layout seems even better after reading that article. I don't really see myself making the effort to switch again, but I enjoyed reading about it. Thanks for sharing.
Small warning about workman. It has issues with lateral movements and single finger n-grams. “ly” and “ct” being notable examples.
A piece of advice I heard that served me well was to look mostly at post covid designs. A lot of work was done on layout optimization around that time and the results show.
My recommendations in no particular order are:
Colemak-DH if you want to focus on a well supported layout.
Graphite or Engram or one of the hands down layouts are modern well optimized layouts I would consider if I was to learn something today.
Some people like MTGAP but in my book it was designed with too much of an emphasis on minimizing key spacing without a strong enough emphasis on how human hands work.
I personally use engram but it only works for me because I have strong pinkies. If you don’t it’s probably a bad choice.
Are you on !mechanical_keyboards@programming.dev already?
Thought I was. Must've been a couple of duplicate comms on other instances.
Dvorak with caps lock as a dead key here. No programmer's Dvorak despite being a programmer... Never quite made the leap
AZERTY Belgian, Flemish style
Ortholinear Dvorak.
I use EurKey, it's neat when you occasionally need special umlauts. https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/
Yep I switched from quertz to this because the symbols used in coding are Ansi QWERTY derived. Can still write German and get brackets on layer 0 best of both worlds.
QWERTZ. Like QWERTY, but Y and Z exchanged, and some extra letters. Biggest difference to an English keyboard are the non alphabethical, non numerical characters. In comparison, they are all in different places.
I don't use it, but Slovak QWERTZ is the standard in my country. But using it feels like a pain in the ass (for me). Some characters need ctrl+alt rather than just shift, others may only be written with alt codes, at least on Windows...
Part of my graduation exam was literally to just type \ % @ &
on a computer. Thankfully for me, settings wasn't blocked, so I just added US layout.
If I need some slovak characters I do either one of the following:
- Say "fuck it" and write it without diacritics ("like SMS")
- If needed in forms, use KCharSelect
- Smartphone virtual keyboard
- Like 1 but printed on paper with diacritics added using a pen
- Write it in English even if I am not supposed to and wait for the outcome
- Write it in English, pipe it to Google Translate (I find writing in English mostly easier anyway - doesn't mean I am good at it)
- Write it in English, (attempt to) translate it myself
- Good ol' pen 'n paper all the way (I mean, I've got a fountain pen too)
have you tried the eurokey layout? At least for German it has all the relevant characters easily reachable.
For Chinese (10 key) and Japanese (kana)I use a 3x3 on my phone. Very common for Japanese but difficult to learn, maybe less common in Chinese over standard qwerty.
I have a fully custom keyboard layout on my split ergo keyboard, makes it really hard to work on somebody else's machine!
Qwertz.
I teu tried neo couple of years ago but did not use it long enough to get proficient.
I've been slowly, and I mean slowly, trying to pick up steno. I get the occasional moment where I go super quick, but mostly it's just 1-10wpm at the moment. When I actually want to get stuff done I switch to QWERTY
Moved from AZERTY to QWERTY last year
Now I'm wondering if other typing layouts are better or worse for people who use swype, swiftkey etc. Maybe those need character separation to function best?
Correct.
I am moving from AZERTY to bépo with futo keyboard but i want to try ergo-l
Non-qwerty trips me up too x3.. I considered using ąžerty before cause certain symbols can be annoying with qwerty in my language, since you need to hit 3 buttons
Dvorak. My fourth year of college I found myself with some time and decided to finally learn to touch-type. No regrets, I love it.
There's a variant of AZERTY devised by the AFNOR ( french standardisation agency) that improves on a lot of ways on the legacy AZERTY, by grouping accents, parentheses, quote marks, etc. and making keys combinations a lot less common. It would be quite easier to learn than standard AZERTY, and it's quite easy to learn for regular AZERTY users too. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find a keyboard or even keycaps with the corresponding markings. Drivers are available by following the link if you want to try it for yourself.
It looks like this :
As for myself, I touch type in French on a QWERTY keyboard with an AZERTY letters layout, because even legacy AZERTY keycaps are not that common, and neither are ISO enthusiast segment keyboards.
LDLC (online shop) has those new keyboards, but I don't know if its worth it since the problem with all the standard layouts are the location of the letters in the first place.
They used to but it's not for sale anymore. It was a really cheap membrane keyboard anyway, so not something I would want to use. I'm actually fine with the location of the letters, it's the illogical distribution of parentheses, slashes, quotation marks, square brackets etc. that I find irritating in AZERTY. I wouldn't want to relearn it from scratch, I just wish I could get my hands on some quality new AZERTY keycaps.
Some cursed variant of dvorak with both common programming symbols and the local extra letters on accessible keys.
I switched because I got tired of the {}[] being on alt+gr combinations on the Nordic qwerty
Since I'm German I used to exclusively use qwertz, but now I use both qwertz and qwerty with qwerty being my main when docked.