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Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said Sunday that the administration's decision Friday night to exempt a range of electronic devices from tariffs implemented earlier this month was only a temporary reprieve, with the secretary announcing that those items would be subject to "semiconductor tariffs" that will likely come in "a month or two."

"All those products are going to come under semiconductors, and they're going to have a special focus type of tariff to make sure that those products get reshored. We need to have semiconductors, we need to have chips, and we need to have flat panels -- we need to have these things made in America. We can't be reliant on Southeast Asia for all of the things that operate for us," Lutnick told "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 144 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This makes sense. Give the companies like Apple and nvidia time to set up some local factories. How long could it take to acquire land, set up a chip foundry, and train up staff? 90 days?

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 51 points 4 days ago

90 days and 10 dollars.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

that's a matter of years, at best. Lutnick is just lying to appease the MAGA base.

I think you flll for sarcasm.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 83 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

These people are all fucking idiots. No business can plan anything when costs are whipsawing and our trading partners are already tired of reacting to these near daily changes.

I just don't have language strong enough to convey my utter exasperation and the depth of my contempt for these people.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago

They don't even have a Steve Mnuchin type character this time who at least has a clue about how things work. This time Trump surrounded himself with all of the dumbest and most loyal kool-aid drinkers.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

They all work for Putin. What you see is by design.

We lost the Cold War.

[–] cocolowlander@feddit.nl 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

Thank you American voters, who voted for Trump or sat out because the opposition wasn't "good" enough.

Sincerely,

European resident

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I caught that the instant he said it. So they are planning another round of Market Manipulation in a month or two, got it.

We've already had 3 rounds, in less than 90 days. It seemed like his 90 day pause on this last round was a bit longer because he wanted to let it cool down, but I knew he wouldn't be able to resist the lure of dirty money at the expense of the poors.

I'm happy for the heads up. Unfortunately, I dont have the kind of money required to take full advantage of this, but at least Ill know to hang on.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just like the tariffs would not be paused. Cannot trust a thing that comes out of their mouths. Even if they think it is the truth and the current plan, the plan can change on the whim of agent orange.

[–] ZeroCool@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yep. Trump's going to contradict this statement within 24hrs, guaranteed.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're correct, he just announced that there is no pause on electronic device tariffs.

[–] ZeroCool@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Lmao of fucking course... God damn do I hate this timeline.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean probably? No one knows what this fat, dementia and cocaine addled geriatric will do after all. Might be a month, might be next Thursday.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's frankly embarrassing that I don't see more people pointing out that his name very easily becomes NutLick.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Lol. Now this is the content I'm here for.

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This guy doesn’t even know what semiconductors are.

[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Nutlick is not a smart man

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Everyone learned about those in grammar, don't insult the man's intelligence.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I still don't get the point of tariffs. Here's a Reason TV interview w/ Danial Hannan, a Conservative politician in the UK (bias: Reason TV is a "libertarian" publication), and he says there are three arguments the Trump administration is making in favor of tariffs:

  1. They bring in revenue and can reduce income tax
  2. Bringing jobs back to America
  3. Negotiating tactic

The interviewee argues all three are wrong, and argues that they're incompatible:

  • if they're bringing in revenue, then they're not bringing in jobs because the imports are still coming in
  • if they're bring back jobs, they're not bringing in much revenue, because local products don't pay the tariffs
  • if they're a negotiating tool they're doing neither of the other two

Here are some other fun arguments:

Show me a country that wholly relies on manufacturing and I will show you a poor, developing country. You move from agriculture, then to manufacturing, then to services. And with each of those moves, you get richer, you work shorter hours, and you live better.

So why would we want to move manufacturing here? It's just going to shift jobs away from services to manufacturing, which would be a net reduction in total value.

The better solution is to train the workforce to develop services, which are more lucrative. There's an argument that we need some amount of local production for national security reasons (i.e. if supply lines get disrupted, we need some minimum level of production capacity in wartime), but we don't need to make everything.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 21 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Most of us are not getting richer, nor working shorter hours, nor living better than our parents. We're past "services" and on into "parasites."

In principal, tariffs can prop up domestic industry that is having trouble competing with cheaper imported products. In practice, this winds up being really complicated, because the world is a lot more interdependent than it was 80 years ago.

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I hate to say it, but Musk was right; this guy is a moron.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

They definitely have to stop announcing tariffs effective in next few hours. Maybe a 2 year effective date announcement allows "progress" in US reindustrialization with CHIPS act type subsidies.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

These power tripping motherfuckers get off on purposefully stepping on rakes.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I wish it was that. No, this is actual evil, not incompetence. Trump has turned the US economy into the largest pump and dump scheme ever. Worse, he's bragging about how his friends made billions. I can't even believe this is happening. I'm in utter shock. I knew Trump would be bad, but straight up flaunting corruption like it's a joke and even bringing the SCOTUS on board with this. I'm just gob smacked.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I get it, I really do. It is malevolent, but I also think they have the stupidity to think that it will work. It won't. They are dumb, power-vaccuming, racketeering, embezzling white supremacists who think they really are rebuilding manufacturing in the US.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Your right. It could be both. I mean, my wife said to me the other day that she heard Trump was doing the tariffs to lower the bond interest rates. I said while in some types of recessions that's true, that wouldn't work in this case and you'd have to be an idiot to think it would. Sure enough the next day Trump puts a stay on tariffs to most of the world because the bond market got rocked. All I could think of is omg, are they really that fucking stupid?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

Tbf the bond market getting rocked was in large part due to Canada, Europe, and Japan doing coordinated but relatively minor sales of the bonds they hold as part of the tariff response. Carney probably understands global finances more than any other world leader for getting that done the way he did.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

No, this is actual evil, not incompetence.

It's both. You may have heard of the dictatorship of the proletariat. This is the dictatorship of the subnormal bullies.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Howard, you ignorant slut.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Trump and Lutnick will be turning the American economy into a Lootbox/Skinner Box economy... let the FOMO purchasing flow through you, buy buy buy before the tariffs go on again!

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

C'mon Gina! Give us germanium!

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

Usa continues to sail away from all the rest of the world.

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