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[–] Sandouq_Dyatha@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

if you believe in IQ tests you're already an expert

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 1 hour ago

Long Covid with ME has made me increasingly dumber. It sucks bad. I have difficulty finding words, following conversations, understanding long texts and just plain remembering things. It's devastating to be more stupid but knowing that you could do better.

Just a few minutes ago I said I couldn't play Leisure Suit Larry 7 because it's too hard. Sucks ass.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

if it gets low enough that you dont understand how bad off you are, its apparently not that bad.

What do you mean with "IQ"?

[–] ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Too highbrow, gtfo smarty smart man.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 4 hours ago
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 99 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

You get to lead the most powerful nation in the world

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 hours ago

"Must be at least this rich to ride"

[–] knee_deep@r.nf 4 points 7 hours ago

I read that as lead, not lead.

[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 hours ago
[–] urquell@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I can never not ~~get~~ hear him say that word when I read it. And he somehow made it sound dirty.

Edit: I should really pay attention to what stroke laden nonsense spell check has “helped” me write.

[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I can't to.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 77 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

You're always playing catchup when in a conversation with others; they're racing ahead on the topic, already knowing both sides of the discussion and throwing their own spin on it, and you're just sitting there staring at them mouth-agape as you try to process what is being said in realtime, but can't quite grasp even the base concepts nor the terminology of what they're talking about because their shop talk is so far removed from the baseline that it's practically a whole subject in itself.

The smart thing to do is to just interject quickly with simple questions to highlight your supposed ignorance, and get some quick definitions to keep you at least somewhat up-to-date in the conversation.

But you don't... either too ashamed of your own ignorance to draw attention to it, or rejecting it outright instead of facing the humiliation and telling yourself that you're not that interested in the topic anyway.

That's how it feels to me, anyhow

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

This is simply a symptom of not being experienced in or knowledgeable in the topic of the conversation.

Not being knowledgeable, or not being smart, is unrelated to IQ. Knowing a great deal about a topic or field is not the same as having a high IQ.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with that feeling too, despite excelling academically and a high score on IQ tests. Ignorance is not a lack of intelligence, it's more likely a lack of experience. And every culture, job and hobby will have their own terminology and assumed knowledge, so not even the Einsteins could pretend to already know it all.

I listen to music all the time, I've composed amateur music myself, and enjoy occasionally reading wikipedia for trivia of music theory, but if two musicians start talking about basic stuff like major and minor chords I'm already out of my depth. Do I do the smart thing and ask them to explain? Or do I just nod until they talk about something I know, or tell myself I don't actually care about music theory?

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

I also apparently have high IQ according to online tests and my mind still glazes over conversations even when it's a topic that I'm supposedly an expert on. I know all the words. If you were then down and I read them, I'll be able to make perfect sense of them. But a real time conversation? Forget it.

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 32 points 11 hours ago

Honestly, that’s a nuanced take on the nature of conversation. I’m sure you’ve got a good head, you’re just not a nerd like them.

[–] mukt@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago
[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 40 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

There was a guy on youtube once who uploaded a video talking about this who has the channel name "crazydumbsick".

Unfortunately I can't seem to find the video as it looks like he regularly deletes content, and it currently only goes back about a month on his channel at present.

Take everything below with a block of salt because this is from memory, and it was a few years back where I watched his video once, so I could be misremembering one or more things here.

If I recall correctly he has Schizophrenia, Crohns, and an IQ of ~45, hence his channel name. He talked a lot about how hard it was to live, particularly pertaining to his IQ. He said that he has a hard time with remembering things and therefore most of his meals are made from pre-made microwaveable packages as he is capable of operating the microwave without too much difficulty, and he found it generally easy to follow the instructional lists on the packaging.

He made note that operating any kind of machine much beyond a microwave or TV remote was largely beyond him, except his computer and camera which he had recently figured out well enough to be able to record and upload content - but outside of those actions, he really had no idea how to use them.

I believe he also said that due to one or more of his conditions, he could not drive, which largely compounded the difficulties of his life.

He talked about how finding work for someone in his situation is basically impossible and just as impossible to hold onto for very long. I believe he talked about a couple jobs he had been fired from and why, and while I don't recall the specifics, I believe he had talked about how he was not even entirely certain why he had been fired. I think he said that he had done some things incorrectly, and at the time, had some vague concept of them being incorrect, but despite this, he was unsure why he had gone ahead and done them anyway.

Overall, he seemed very sad in the video; he was terribly aware of how hard it is to live life being himself, and knew that there were basically no solutions to it.

Having said all of that, he continued to upload videos and there were some good events and some bad events. I believe at one or more times he discussed having tried to take his own life. Other times he seemed fairly upbeat and was trying to better himself - trying to read through a textbook on auto work for example.

Anyway, I think the original video I spoke about is one of the better videos I've seen uploaded to the internet. It was somewhat sad, but it was highly enlightening and certainly one of the most honest videos I've ever seen someone upload.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If you’re using IQ as a measure of intelligence, you probably already know.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 hours ago

They didn't ask about intelligence, they asked about IQ.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 21 points 12 hours ago

In my experience, people are generally unaware of current events and history. They don't understand basic math. They are very poor at critical reasoning and don't comprehend things like evidence or facts, so they're easily convinced by hunches or baseless claims prominent people make.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 hours ago

Why are you asking us? You're the expert.

nyuk nyuk nyuk

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 17 points 12 hours ago

I bet it’s fucking awesome.

Some idiot says “this is how things work” (and explains things in a way that aren’t true at all)

And then I’d be like “yeah that’s good enough for me.”

And I’d watch sports and not be worrying all the time.

As it is, I unfortunately see through most bullshit and realize im surrounded by people who don’t.

I am the scientist at the beginning of every disaster movie. Ignored until it is too late. Then blamed.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I don't know, every time I drink that much I forget.

[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Low IQ is a type of singling people out who are not what society wants people to be. A form of subtle eugenics, make the "dumb" people not be able to do things because a "test" says there IQ is low, for instance someone who speaks another language could mis understand the "test" and people think there idiots when in fact they just wasn't good at English. This also goes for people who are absolutely horrible at English reading and comprehension of "tests" when they could be brilliant in other aspects of life.

So remember there is no way to "test" how smart or dumb someone is.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you're saying other metrics on people are also somehow eugenics like height, weight, or speed, IQ is not eugenics. Eugenics is the belief that one's genes affects one's life, and certain genes will lead to a better life in expectation. (This is in fact a true belief, since there are some genes which are known to cause horrible painful short lives.)

IQ is just a measure of how well you do on an IQ test, which is known to correlate (maybe causally, maybe not) with various things such as income.

How do you know there is no way to test how smart or dumb somebody is? Even if IQ tests aren't to your standard, you can't be sure there isn't another test possible.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You would first need to define intelligence before you can measure it. We're still nowhere near any kind of agreement on that first step.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

IQ is, at most, a notion of intelligence. Or it is simply a number. Regardless, it has correlations with other things, and that's what's interesting. Asking whether it is or is not "intelligence" is merely semantics.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (3 children)
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Only if you're naïve about IQ and worship it like God. Here is wikipedia's second paragraph on IQ:

Scores from intelligence tests are estimates of intelligence. Unlike, for example, distance and mass, a concrete measure of intelligence cannot be achieved given the abstract nature of the concept of "intelligence". IQ scores have been shown to be associated with such factors as nutrition, parental socioeconomic status, morbidity and mortality, parental social status, and perinatal environment. While the heritability of IQ has been investigated for nearly a century, there is still debate about the significance of heritability estimates and the mechanisms of inheritance. Current best estimates for heritability range from 40 to 60% of the variance between individuals in IQ being explained by genetics.

None of that stands out to me as particularly controversial, certainly not pseudoscience. Emphasis on second sentence -- it's not a concrete measure of intelligence.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 3 hours ago

Great response.

The assertion that IQ is pseudoscience, is denying reality. While not an exact measure, it correlates with a lot of other measures of flourishing.

But higher IQ doesn't necessarily mean happier, or better in any way.

I know some extremely (academically) intelligent people. Some are arrogant pricks, others are really pleasant, others still are really awkward and difficult to talk to outside their specific interests.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago

ChatGDT said I had a 135 IQ, does that mean I’m also a pseudoscientist?

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

All psychology is.

Not saying it isn’t useful before a psych major jumps on me. But the entire field is basically explaining how to cope with a society that is hostile to human nature.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The entire field isn't therapy.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 50 minutes ago

That’s about its only useful contribution.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago