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Pentagon draws up rules on possible use of force by Marines deployed to LA protests (www.nbclosangeles.com)
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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 132 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

The Pentagon was scrambling Monday to establish rules to guide U.S. Marines who could be faced with the rare and difficult prospect of using force against citizens on American soil[...]

What the fuck timeline is this shit. The rule is that you can't do that you absolute glue sniffers. I know this sub demands civility but this is truly madness.

“No statutory authority Trump has invoked so far permits this.”

Right, because this is newborn fascist shithole.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Probably time to buy a gun. We're already seeing ICE copycat criminals kidnapping people. nobody can verify if they're real or not.

They're trying to create chaos and its absolutely working because they own the media and are just cherry picking it for propaganda.

They'll probably murder a bunch of people with marines and fox news will say it was terrorists. putin seized power after a false flag bombing on an apartment complex in 1999 and as we've seen every accusation is a confession with these trump death cultists.

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago

"There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."

-William Adama, Battlestar Galactica-

[–] Dillenger69@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Illegal orders. Any marine who follows them should be held accountable. As we found out after WWII, "I was just following orders" is no excuse. I'm ex-military. They drilled down HARD on not following Illegal orders.

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 50 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Their is no reason for the military to be used in the USA against its own citizens.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The police is already heavily militarized.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And yet it’s somehow not enough in this case.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They should storm the Capitol, somehow that's totally accepted. No need for the military. Just poop on someone's desk and you'll get a pardon.

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[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago

Military should be storming the fucking white house about now, not LA...

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tiananmen square LA.

Because there's no collateral damage too great when it comes to oppressing the fight against tyranny. Just wipe the event from history, act like nothing happened. Dehumanize the opposition and slaughter them like pigs, kill press freedom to control the narrative.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

It gets real dangerous if the National Guard unit hesitates or refuses to take a shooting order and the Marines are ordered to respond to that as mutiny.

That's how it'd be an equivalent flashpoint for violence I think.

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Posse Comitatus Act

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

We are ripping that up too it seems.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If they start shooting protesters then our second amendment right and duty to fucking shoot back.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 17 points 4 days ago

How are you even supposed to know if they are government agents when ICE is going around in plain clothes with no identification or warrants?

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 4 days ago

All that does practically is prevent them from making arrests. It does not prevent them from deploying on US soil, or using force against civilians.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If the rules say anything more than "no use of force", then it's too much.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 29 points 4 days ago

If it says more that “do not deploy” it’s too much.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No military force will ever be deployed anywhere with that restriction. They could be delivering food and medicine to an orphanage, and they would still be prepared to respond to any aggression.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

According to a U.S. official, troops will be armed with their normal service weapons but will not be carrying tear gas. They also will have protective equipment such as helmets, shields and gas masks.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh good... Glad it's just normal guns. Wouldn't want anyone to get hurt by tear gas...

[–] poldy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Reputable military never use tear gas, etc. It's a chemical weapon, and hard to distinguish from lethal ones. So it would invite a Sarin/GB/VX response from enemy, which they don't want.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

No posse comitatus, no obeying unconstitutional orders.

But the average service member stationed in the states is far better trained and (as insane as it sounds) less trigger happy than the paramilitary LAPD have proven to be.

If they follow the actual military rules of engagement, they'll be doing less damage than the police already are.

I'm not holding my breath, but I hope our military is as patriotic as the South Koreans were when martial law was declared last year.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If this timeline is crazy enough, I can see marines giving a warning shot over LAPD heads when they start doing funny things.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That's the thing - infantry don't do warning shots. When they pull the trigger, they're only supposed to do so as an absolute last resort, with the express intent to stop the target. That's what proper rules of engagement are.

But a Marine in bargain-bin decade-old hardware will absolutely walk straight up the barrel of a "less-lethal" loaded rifle and physically manhandle the cop in luxury fascist tech who thinks <40 hours of range time means they're ready for combat.

[–] GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But a Marine in bargain-bin decade-old hardware will absolutely walk straight up the barrel of a “less-lethal” loaded rifle and physically manhandle the cop in luxury fascist tech who thinks <40 hours of range time means they’re ready for combat.

You're letting your fantasies escape through your skull holes, comrade. The military is going to point their guns, just as the cops next to them will be, at the people protesting the kidnapping of their neighbors by the gestapo.

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I’m not holding my breath, but I hope our military is as patriotic as the South Koreans were when martial law was declared last year.

I'm not fantasizing about anything. I'm not expecting them to actually do the right thing, I just hope they do. We're in unprecedented territory here. This could turn into another South Korea, or it could be another Boston Massacre. Only time will tell.

But in the hypothetical context of marine vs cop as suggested in the comment I was responding to, marine wins.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 days ago

I was going to say something like this. I would rather my protest be surrounded by Marines from 29 palms then the LAPD. I'm a bit biased for being a veteran myself, but I trust cops a lot less. Not that the military can't do any wrong.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 21 points 4 days ago

I've seen that move. So next is to lock down the city, establish holding camps and go door by door to root out all "undesirables" for deportation.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 11 points 4 days ago

They should refuse their orders and arrest Trump et all.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

The only acceptable rule is DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Does anyone remember the message from "A Few Good Men"?

"We were supposed to fight for the people who couldn't fight for themselves."

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

"Possible", my ass.

[–] AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Here is a video from 11 years ago of training by the U.S. Marines 2nd Battalion, 1st Marines in Non-Lethal Riot Control

https://youtu.be/JX1aW7IyQDE

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