It's like that here in Germany too. They have a legal lower temperature limit, but otherwise it's just "if it's hot you have to give your employees water."
It will be 40C next week. No AC in my office.
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It's like that here in Germany too. They have a legal lower temperature limit, but otherwise it's just "if it's hot you have to give your employees water."
It will be 40C next week. No AC in my office.
I definitely feel for you guys in Europe, a lot of tough arguments to be had with employers coming up... If I understand correctly AC isn't that common because it historically hasn't been as necessary as it has been in the US. The future unfortunately is looking to make it necessary pretty much everywhere :(
I worked in plastic extrusion for nearly a decade.
The front of the line would be about 85, but the back of the kine, where the work was, hit 110°F to 120F° in the summers.
Absolute hell
Luckily my ambulance has AC. Here's our top temp from yesterday:
As someone living in the equator where sun is fucking angry at us everyday, 32°c indoor is toasty, and 34°c indoor is torture. You should report to the authority and let them know.
Unless you work near furnace of course.
Wait until you see 41°C.
(Atleast i was home when it was 40°C. Otherwise i'd be literally cooked.)
I was in Venice at 41C with 90 percent humidity. It was like trying to breathe underwater.
I hope that also isn't 80% humid, that is literally spa.
This is America, what authorities give a damn about how hot you are? If there was one, I'm sure Musk'n'Trump got rid of them.
OSHA probably cares.
The company should care, because if the workers are dropping off because of heat stroke, they're not creating value for the shareholders.
But, but, they sometimes hand out freeze pops in hot weather! How much more can you want?
~~Unless i missed it, OP didn't mention being in America though, and judging from the instance they might be from Netherlands.~~ whoops, really missed it. Also like the other person said, OSHA.
I also work in a factory but our temperature is largely unregulated with the exception of offices, break areas and certain departments where the stock needs to be kept away from too much humidity (so, even in those departments it's humidity control not air conditioning). In the winter it's cold enough that we've had pipes freeze in the center of the building and in the summer it's normal to see 100 degrees at 3am. It's too bad I don't live in one of those states where it's "regulated" because I think anyone would say those temperatures are unreasonable.
You're not alone! I worked 12 hours in 37°C (99°F), 47% humidity yesterday. However, we get essentially unlimited breaks in an air conditioned break room, have cooling vests filled with ice packs we can wear on the floor, and are supplied with sports drinks and feeezies. Your work can't really make the world less hot, but they can work with you to avoid development of heat related illnesses!
The cooling vests are something I should bring up in my next health and safety meeting! I doubt they'll buy them, but at least we'll have it on record that it was brought up lol
We used to have a purchasing agent that would buy water and stuff when it got really hot, but now we have one that argues about buying stuff we need to actually do our job let alone feel comfortable doing it lol
What's a few heat strokes of disposable employees when owners can get richer?
He literally threatened to move the shop because the town wouldn't let him build a helipad for himself lol
Rich people problems
A few hundred bucks of cooling stuff vs how many tens or hundred thousands if everyone keels over?
These are the vests we have: TechNiche CoolPax. They're okay. I find the ice packs melt quickly and freeze slowly but they're good for temporary relief. My company initially bought these to be worn under hot PPE like hazmat suits, but even just having a bunch of ice packs in a freezer you can take out on the floor to hold onto could work.
literally in the danger zone unless it's super dry where you are.
Thanks for the image, I'm definitely saving that for future use!
Apparently we're in "extreme caution," even though it feels humid the forecast says we're around 50% humidity
It's literally in the extreme caution zone.
Edited to add, I'm not good at reading charts, explanation below.
I guess dry heat is a thing. I can do >110 fine, I don't like it, but I don't feel in danger. But its 10% or less humidity. Its usually better to wear more clothes just to keep the direct sun off you. Somehow wearing a hoodie in the desert in summer is comfortable. Its also nice not getting sweaty because it immediately evaporates.
I spent a summer in south India a few years ago during monsoon season. I was fucking miserable in my jeans and shirts until I switched over to wearing loose, flowing clothes made of bleached kahdi (loose homespun cotton) like the locals. It keeps the sun off you and even when it gets soaked it doesn't cling to your skin, and then whenever the rain stops it dries completely very quickly. Other westerners I met made fun of me for pretending to go native, but they had no clue how effective it was.
Alright, I'm interested. What should i search for?
Uh, airline tickets to India?
I work in environmental, health, and safety, and industrial hygiene, so workplace safety is my jam. You are correct that the regs are shit. Unless you live in one of five states with heat related regulations, you're really only covered by OSHA's general duty clause, which can be summed up as "employers have to at least make a good faith effort to do the bare minimum to not hurt their employees". It sucks.
For workplace temperature, what you'll want to look at is wet-bulb temperature, not the dry-bulb reading provided by a thermostat. You can find online calculators that'll calculate it by temperature and relative humidity. Wet bulb is the measurement accounting for evaporative cooling, so a better approximation of what temperature a human body experiences. Theoretically, a wet-bulb temperature of 35°C (95°F) or more isn't sustainable and will always lead to heat illness with sustained exposure. Around 30°C (about 85°F) is where we start seeing issues if people don't consider any steps to avoid heat illness.
It gets tricky from there as there are a ton of variables to determining a safe temperature, e.g., hydration, environmental radiant heat, cardiovascular health, level of acclimation, nature of the work, body mass, break frequency, access to air conditioned spaces, etc.
For example, at 94°F, a healthy adult performing moderate physical activity out of the sun (or away from any other heat source) should be fine up to about 75% humidity (so a wet bulb of 85°F), assuming they are dressed appropriately, acclimated to the temperature, remain hydrated, take periodic rest breaks in an air conditioned space (I’d advise 10 minutes on the hour, maybe more). I also recommend a monitoring/emergency response program
Let me know if I can help at all. I love heat, but working in it is just miserable.
Thank you for the detailed response! I'll have to keep an eye on the wet bulb temperature for future discussions about the heat at work.
The regulations really are frustrating especially since I've reached out to local "representatives" about how vague they are and naturally got no response lol
So, uh... We have the same thermostat at my job. It's not great. You can't just tell it what temperature you want the room to be, you actually have to tell it if you want it to heat or cool to that temperature.
Yours is set set to 65, but if you look to the left of the current temp, it says "heat." Someone likely forgot to change that when the weather warmed up. IIRC, one of the three unlabeled middle buttons will fix that.
Lol I appreciate the help, but there is literally no AC unit. All we have is oil heat for the winter so the pipes don't freeze
I was riding on a bus today where the temperature was 38c(101f). I only sat on it for like 40 minutes and i felt like fucking soup after, imagine having to be the bus driver. High temps like this are extremely dangerous actually.
The OSHA recommendation is 68-76F, which isn't a direct link to 'reasonable' but provides a suitable context to frame workplace conditions.
If people's body temperatures can be measured exceeding 100F a link to heat stress and increasing risk of injury in the workplace can also be drawn as it's generally the equivalent of working with a fever.
What state has that law? Or is it national? Or outside of the US?
Outside of an actual climate controlled storage unit (IE a giant fridge/freezer) every warehouse or shop I've ever been in for any reason had zero climate control and not even any insulation. Concrete base, with thin courrugated steel walls/roofs mostly. Shits like an oven, since it ends up being even hotter in the building than it is outside.
I am in California.
I'm in NY and that's the language I was able to find in the states laws regarding factory conditions, but it's not really regulated since their only stated "metric" is a completely vague, subjective amount: "reasonable."
Nowhere in the language do they define reasonable, and when I reached out to my "representative" asking for clarification they never responded, naturally lol
If you can reach out to a local expert, there's probably an assumed standard for "reasonable" that the state goes by. Vague laws like that frequently just mean that you use the standard set by an administrative admin or the courts.