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denial is a powerful weapon. along with propaganda, gaslighting, state controlled media, money-- all things deployed to make the average, normally decent human being witness the atrocities going on around them and say "i mean, this is america. we wouldn't allow masked men to kidnap people for no reason" as they watch their literal american citizen neighbor getting kidnapped, imprisoned, deported. murdered. for no reason
Anyone who believes this can be stopped through any means other than revolt is either a fool or a liar. Take up arms, organize with your community, and fight back.
i see this posted a lot. so why don't you go do it yourself? i know why: because you KNOW that taking up arms and attacking ICE will make Trump send his army at you to kill you, and all this will accomplish is make you a martyr they can use in propaganda OR ignite a full on civil war. i am tired of seeing this post. stop encouraging people to do things that YOU YOURSELF find unreasonable to do. and if you find it reasonable, than put up and shut up and stop fucking posting about it to look cool. we'll see you on the news.
How do you know people posting that aren't doing it? It already is ignited, it's at a low burn, only because people aren't fighting back en masse yet, but in some places there is resistance going on. I agree though, "don't speak about it, be about it".
ignite a full on civil war
It's already a civil war.
Don't mistake me I basically agree with everything your saying, but make no mistake we are Germany in the '30s, whatever you are doing is what you would have done then.
We're all on the internet talking tough about it while the camps are being built...
I bought a gun, I bought ammo, I have encouraged friends to do the same and taken them out to learn how to use a firearm, as many of them had never done so before. We are organizing, we are preparing, we are waiting for the moment the first shot is fired to rise.
I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany. This is the only historical point of reference in American discourse. All historical comparisons default back to it because Americans don't know anything else, not even their own history... like the Japanese Interment camps. Recorded human history is around 10,000 years old and it has everything, but somehow people in this country think there are no historical events or time periods to draw parallels from outside of what happened in central Europe during Hitler's reign.
Yah but to be fair, MAGA isn’t helpful in this regard by being so much like the Nazis.
I mean it's fine to make comparisons if they're valid, but Nazi Germany comparisons are literally the only comparisons that I see. I never see these camps being compared to the Russian Gulags or MAGA being compared to the Know Nothings from the 1850s or Trump being compared to Andrew Jackson, and so on. These comparisons are also accurate and valid, and I would argue that they add an element of depth that our discourse severely lacks.
Essentially all history education in the US is heavily politicized except for WW2, the only thing Americans could agree on about the last 200 years is that Nazis were bad, and even that is now becoming 'controversial', with some schools like in Florida wanting to teach more about "both sides" of the holocaust. There's a reason my mom really loved the quote "Don't let school get in the way of your education."
The average knowledge of the things you mentioned would be "isn't Jackson the guy on the $20?" "Weren't gulags in Siberia or something? What even is a gulag exactly?" And "'Know Nothings'?? Yeah I literally 'know nothing' about that."
It's up to individuals and families to teach their kids actual history, and most parents both work and have little time to teach their kids anything that the schools don't teach them. And now I see kids leaning history from youtubers, it's a pretty depressing situation.
If you had to compare what's going on AND our trajectory to a horrible historical event, which would it be and why?
The most relevant and accurate historical comparison to Trump is Andrew Jackson. Tell me if any of this about Jackson sounds familiar to you:
Andrew Jackson was the first US president to not be one of the founding fathers. He aggressively campaigned as an anti-establishment candidate who would fight for the "common man" and against the corrupt elites... even though he was wealthy himself (though unlike Trump, Jackson was actually self made and came from humble beginnings).
He ran for president in 1824 and lost to John Quincy Adams. Instead of accepting his loss, he insisted that the election was rigged and he only lost because of the "corrupt bargain" where Jackson and his supporters believed that the think that congress conspired against them to give Adams the election.
He was a very thin skinned man who was known for his volatility and anger. He would often snap and throw temper tantrums when someone says or does something he doesn't like. He's notoriously famous for having hundreds of duels during his life time. He's also known for demonizing any political opponent that crosses him as unpatriotic, corrupt, elitist, unholy, and anti-American.
He was extremely loyal to his allies and friends, and rewarded a lot of them with influence and political access. During his presidency he had a scandal that fractured his official cabinet, he started relying heavily on a group of informal advisers, most of whom were his friends or political loyalists. It was so bad that his opponents literally coined the term “Kitchen Cabinet" to criticize the outsized influence his friends and allies held despite lacking official positions.
Jackson was extremely patriotic and he fiercely fought for and imposed his version of patriotism, and he often framed things in us vs them mentality. For example, in the 1828 election, he famously said "this election is a contest between an honest patriotism on the on the one side, and an unholy, selfish ambition, on the other".
He was extremely racist. He explicitly hated native Americans as he saw them as savages who obstructed progress (expansion). He also viewed African Americans inferiors, and he was pretty big supporter of slavery. In fact he was a slave owner himself and never questioned the morality of it like his predecessors. To him, this country was for white European settlers and it was to be ruled by exclusively by white men. However, he did support expanding suffrage for all white men instead of just land owning ones, so I guess there's that.
He had a habit of ignoring Supreme Court rulings and doing what he wanted anyway. Famously, he ignored the ruling of the Worcester vs Georgia case in which the Supreme Court determined that the state of Georgia could not impose its laws on the Cherokee nation as it was seen as an independent country. This essentially prohibited settlers from encroaching on their lands. However, Jackson ignored this and not only encroached on their lands, but took it over and deported the entire nation to Oklahoma in an event that became known as the trail of tears.
He had a habit of being very hostile to the press when they're critical of him and very supportive when they praise him. He would often call the editors and journalists against him as corrupt and tools of the political elite who were out to slander him. At the same time, he rewarded very loyal editors and journalists with government contracts and exclusive access.
He very famously hated the national bank. He saw the bank as unconstitutional and undemocratic because he thought it favored the rich and was nothing more than a tool for the corrupt elite, and that this power should be devolved down to the states. He also personally hated the idea of paper of money and preferred hard money (like gold and silver) and had a grudge against the president of the national bank at the time because he thought he helped fund his opponents against him. Regardless, he made it's destruction a populist crusade and he succeeded in dismantling it. When the Federal Reserve was established, they intentionally added Jackson on the $20 bill as a giant fuck you to him and his legacy.
By destroying the national bank and drying up federal funds, he directly contributed to the panic of 1837, which was one of the worst economic crises of the time.
Do you see the similarities? You should because Trump saw Jackson as an inspiration and he even hanged his picture in the Oval Office. I don't know about you, but this seems like a much more relevant, accurate, and insightful comparison to Trump than Hitler. Hitler and Trump have very little in common as individuals and as leaders. This is why I find it annoying that our discourse has no other point of reference outside of Nazi Germany.
ignorant, is understatement, i think some areas arnt even teaching history from ww2 and on
A lot of American schools are now basically only teaching the civil rights movement and a very water downed version of the cold war after teaching about WWII, and very rarely, some schools might dabble into 9/11 and the war on terror if they have time at the end of the year. There is no emphasis at all on international history.
America started down this path all the way back in 9/12/2001. We didn't hold Bush accountable, Obama, Trump, or Biden. Now the lunatic is using the tools provided to him.
O'bama
This is killing me lol
TIL Obama is of irish decent.
https://www.irishfamilyhistorycentre.com/article/president-barack-obamas-irish-ancestry/
Honestly, it started sooner I think, or more to the point, it's had this sort of tendency lurking in the background for it's whole history to lesser and greater extents, the last few decades until the current one just being something of a lower period that makes this stand out by contrast.
After all, these aren't exactly the first concentration camps built in or by the United States, the country has a history with forced labor and institutionalized racial supremacy so severe that the country literally split itself apart over it at one point, and it's founding and expansion to it's current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.
The silver lining to all this I guess, if you can call it that, is that this history and the fact we even had something of a relative lul in all this, implies that as bleak as things look, the racism, nativism, and disenfranchisement can be squashed down again, because it's been done here before.
and it’s founding and expansion to it’s current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.
This. The USA was founded on genocide.
They are ALREADY DYING IN THESE CAMPS. We are all complicit at this point.
Go fuck yourself I have been and will continue to do what little I can to fight this and I am not remotely complicit
What are we supposed to do? Go there ourselves? I'm not trying to be a dick but what can normal people do to help?
Imagine what a person in one of those cages would want to do if they weren't in those cages.
We need to do what's right.
Alright, I'm right behind you.
Dont forget media consolidated and owned by the wealthy
May the Heavens smite Trump, and every MAGAt, and let the thunder roar to the furthest ends of the Earth.
And make sure it fucking hurts.