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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

  1. W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial

  2. For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD

  3. Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I thought all Lemmy users were running Linux?

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

OpenBSD too

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] r_deckard@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago
[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"

Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"

Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not

In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)

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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Very possible.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago (27 children)

I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Generally agree but also consider power usage. Of course it also depends how often its powered on or not. If its used a lot then buying newer hardware may well be cheaper just in the energy saved, though if its off most of the time then its less of a concern.

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

From a personal finance perspective, you need to consider the price of the new machine and the difference in the energy bill for the average time you would still be using your current machine until it doesn't work anymore.

From a sustainability perspective, you also need to consider the manufacturing impacts of the new machine in all the production chain and the energy used in that process (this is a concept called emergy). Maybe also the disposal process of the current one, if that's the case.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Energy to produce should already be represented in the price. Though pollution probably won't be.

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

It should, but when production is outsourced to different countries, with different regulations and with different currencies things get messy. Even worse when there's corruption involved along the chain.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

I had a very similar PC. I think maybe slightly better. I ended up upgrading because the CPU was becoming more and more of a bottleneck. The roar was Elden Ring. The fps wouldn't go past about 20. Also some gaves are now being compiled against x64 v3 instructions (like Hell Divers 2 and Death Stranding) which there's literally no way of running on an old CPU since it doesn't have the instructions for it.

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[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 42 points 1 week ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those are newer than the CPU I'm typing this on, they're not waste

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It's a grey area scam. They're not worth $400 at all.

But 1000% not waste to a tech person. My oldest machines right now we're decommissioned workstations with 8th gen i5s that I used for seedbox, DNS/pihole, proxmox, etc. they won't get windows installed and I'll drive them til they literally die. Backed up with veaam to a second truenas, easily swapped out and back up and running with any failure. I love older tech because it's cheap and as long as you know what you're doing, it works well.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Core i7-6700 with 32 gb ram isn't worth $400? Daymn, I'm due to upgrade then

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Lookup prices of ddr4, dirt cheap.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 week ago (8 children)

... a ten years old PC is...

... that's something from 2015, ...

Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is so wrong

  • Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.

  • Those listing are not what I would call "full price"

  • You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€

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[–] rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

Stop purchasing from Amazon

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Folks, the sooner you dip your toe into Linux the better. Don't let these mega corps tell you how to use your own stuff. Buck the trends and break free.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I've been thinking about it, but I probably wouldn't be able to run my driving sim gear on it. I think I might get a cheap second-hand laptop to play around with it, though.

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

That's the way I fully got into it - started off on an old laptop and ~~manifested~~ continued from there.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Idk about running sims, but I switched over a yearish ago. It was a release of anxiety I didn't even know I was carrying around with me. Just a break from the relentless capitalization and enshittification that windows jams down your throat at every given moment. It's so nice having a system that doesn't spy on me, does what I want when I want it, and never locks me out for any reason. I don't have to reset the privacy settings after every update. It works faster too. 10/10 recommend.

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (30 children)

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don't consider it e-waste.

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