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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

👏 Turn 👏 off 👏 the 👏 power.

Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.

[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Idk I feel like cutting off basic needs for large swathes of civilians might be an irresponsible escalation of an already devolving situation

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

They are already doing just that to their own people AND we are in their sights. How much to Canadians have to suffer before it's "ok" to push back.

[–] Dhar@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

"I know they're killing children, but we have to remain polite!"

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This letter has to be one of the greatest rage-bait posts ever. Trump really know how to do it.

the United States of America has agreed to continue working with Canada, despite Canada having financially retaliated against the United States

Barely and only after he swung the first blow and started shit over nothing, yeah.

the United States imposed Tariffs on Canada to deal with our National Fentanyl crisis, which is caused, in part, by Canada's failure to stop the drugs from pouring into our Country.

"In part" meaning less than a single percent. "Failure to stop" meaning a massive increase in border presence and fentanyl seizures.

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Instead of working with the United States

See above, we implemented border security measures to appease the charade of Fentanyl being an issue.

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there will be no Tariff if Canada, or companies within your Country, decide to build or manufacture product within the United States

Perfect! Let's just make ourselves the States' little bitch, completely reliant on them for everything and with no details on how much production we even have to move over so that he can just say we didn't fulfill our part of the bargain whenever he wants. Why wouldn't we do that? Jesus H Christ.

Canada charges extraordinary Tariffs to our Dairy Farmers — up to 400%

Two things, 1. tariffs to protect your local agriculture makes sense to not become reliant on other countries for food. 2. that "up to" is doing HEAVY lifting as those high rates are almost never in effect¹, so why do you even care. Oh right, you don't care! This is all a sham.

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[–] C4551E@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

it's only enraging if you take him at his word, which you should never do. It's all lies and projection, and he's going to do whatever he's going to do regardless of the response.

[–] CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just match the American tariffs. They will end up doing the same thing as they did with China: end up backing off.

[–] Benedict_Espinosa@europe.pub 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

China has much more leverage than Canada, and they have 30% coming on them in August. So not too much hope of Trump backing off very far, unfortunately.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I just want him to make up his mind and stick to it

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Bring it, bitch.

I will never visit the us again. i cancelled netflix, prime, apple music. i use crave, cbc gem, and qobuz now. i installed ubuntu on my old surface pro and it works beautifully. switched to libre office. my next phone will be a fairphone.

when i go to the grocery store, if an item i want is a product of the usa, i eat something else.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

I also cancelled and use the same services! Qobuz is pretty good, it has a lot of room to improve but it’s keeping me more up to date with music than Apple was.

I got Sync.com (Canadian) instead of iCloud (though iCloud is not fully replaceable). My backup server is in the EU because I use custom borg scripts, but there’s also eazyBackup in Canada.

I own my own domain for email, and I bought my wife one too so she can get off of Gmail.

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[–] aeppelcyning@lemmy.ca 55 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Carney needs to grow a pair. I've had enough of him not saying anything. We voted for elbows up, not subservience. I'm still not clear what we got for the DST removal.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I'm also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn't get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.

As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That's just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Elbows Up doesn't mean you should draw a penalty. You're supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.

As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is... I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.

Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it's inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don't rapidly expand our national infrastructure.

These threats, I believe, do justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.

I think the silver lining is that Carney's energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.

I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.

I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren't heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada's cards close and not telling his bluffs.

[–] Yaztromo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

I can explain that. While on the one hand I don’t really have a problem with attempting to level the playing field between international tech companies that don’t pay any corporate taxes in Canada and local Canadian companies who do, the big problem is that ultimately the pocket that those taxes will come from is “all of us” (at least those of us who use American online services). The companies weren’t going to take a loss — they were just going to jack up the prices they charge to Canadians.

And because the payment was intended to be retroactive to 2022, we’ve likely already been paying it. Again, big tech companies weren’t going to take a loss, and they’ve known about the payment date for years now, so they’ve been collecting it from us in the form of higher subscription fees and rates. And now that the DST is cancelled — they get to keep it. Oh, and as we’re now all used to paying the higher rates, they get to keep that too.

So that’s where the loss is. IMO the DST wasn’t all that great an idea to start with (taxing those companies sounds great until you realize they’re just jacking their prices up on us to pay for it), but having told companies to plan for it all these years and then yank it back has just put a ton of Canadian dollars into their coffers they don’t have to give back. And they’ll keep charging us the jacked-up rates we’re now used to and keep that as well.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

holding Canada's cards close and not telling his bluffs.

That's what the "just tell us what you're doing in the negotiations" crowd seems to miss.

It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you're holding, and what your planned strategy is.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding

There are public commitments that indicate betrayal of Canadians, though:

  • Defense pact with Philippines is direct support for US war on China.
  • G7 statement on "Iran must not have nuclear weapons", while a platitude, is direct support for all Israel hasbara (weeks/months away since 1980s) and war on Iran. By extention, support for US and their strikes.
  • Ukraine aid is simple continuation of US proxy war on Russia, even as US "forces" colonies to pay for it, including most recent proposal of NATO buying US patriot missiles to gift to Ukraine. Dividing EU from Russia is US policy. Gaslighting people that US is a better ally than Russia is US domination of NATO.
  • Fortress Can Am and banning Chinese investment is further tying/subjugating Ontario/Canada to US without alternatives, and resulting in punishments instead of enthusiasm for the subservience.

When Trump negotiates publicly with lies and public punishment based on those lies, the private negotiations seem not just pointless, as something Trump won't listen/abide with, but more than likely a US trick to pacify us, while we get destroyed with full complicity.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

  • Sun Tzu

Those people also don't appreciate that in the context of Trumps unpredictability no publicly made plans would remain unchanged.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

So are we gonna get a TACO pool going... everyone bet which day Trump caves and winner takes all.

[–] fourish@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

We’re done with the US. let them Tax themselves into oblivion. We have closer friends now to trade with.

[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

bring back DST and 3X it, fuck em.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Less trade with the US the better

Hopefully he actually follows through

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 days ago

Buy Canadian 💪🍁

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

"You will never be disappointed with the United States of America."

We're fucking disappointed. Every fucking year of this relationshit. You are an utter disappointment in nearly every way.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Trump is named in the Epstein files.

Trump cut NOAA and FEMA funding before flash flooding killed over 200 people in Texas including two dozen Christian girls.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

Cool, calm reciprocity. They Tarrif us, we Tarrif them where it hurts in equal measure.

For everything else, there are better trade partners.

[–] DetectiveNo64@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Someone needs to take out this pedophile president.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Don't forget, multiple time felon.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Meh. He'll change his mind at least 15 more times before Aug 1st.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Every 2 weeks, methinks...

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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 days ago

Sure Donnie, now please go take your meds.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Carney can't decide if he wants elbows up or not. In fact, he flipflops so much, he looks like hes doing the chicken dance.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

No I think he knows exactly what he's doing and it has very little to do with anything Trump does, despite what he or anyone else says.

He's handing our money to corporations and butt fucking us in a much quieter way than PP would have, but he seems to be doing it very intentionally.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

So fucken true!! Really disappointed in Carney so far. He’s not standing up to Trump, doing everything in secret, no updates. Paying American companies for military equipment (night vision), not cancelling the fighter jets order, begging the abuser to trade with us while we’re giving shit up left right and centre. Fuck this!! But PP and cons would not be better.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's a banker. He's on capitalism's side, not the people's.

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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

I suppose you're right. It's irresponsible to let him plead stupidity for fleecing us, when it's all very calculated.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What are some examples? The DST is postponed as trade leverage which is still ongoing. I haven't seen him flop flop on anything yet, and he hasn't been PM for long enough to see how anything had played out. He seems very calculated and has been getting great results so far within Canada and internationally.

[–] shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Oh, no! Empty threats. What will the world do.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

giv'er buddy, we don't want your shit or your business.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago
[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

More forest fire smoke down south then.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

We need some fans on the border to blow it towards the US. Smoke turbines.

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