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All positives: public opinion not great.
Thanks, fucking propagandists...
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This table is clearly cherry picked and biased. If you add a row "cost of me bringing my car", then it's up, up, UP in big red letters!! No thanks!
Edit: I meant this as a jokeeeee omg /s
Edit: I meant this as a jokeeeee omg /s
In my experience, this community is really sensitive to anything even remotely pro-car, so jokes need to be marked more clearly than multiple exclamation marks! Haha
Tbf, it sounded like a matter-of-fact opinion to my filthy casual ears until I saw the edit.
So your cost should overwrite safer streets, less congestion for people who do drive, and less noise and air pollution for people who don't even drive? What a selfish person.
I know you're joking but is it even up? I haven't driven in NYC, but my experience in other large cities is that unless you're parking at a friend's place, having a car in town can be expensive and annoying when you want to park it close to your destination. And that's assuming no one fucks with it while you're away from it.
Though it does depend on how much the tolls are. Hell, parking might even be cheaper now that demand is down, unless they've started repurposing parking space already.
What is "brining" for cars? Is this a joke?
I think it's supposed to say "bringing".
Yeah. Bringing your car is more expensive. That's the whole point of the toll.
Oh god YES it was a joke 🤦I forgot the /s
Public opinion should have been red. This is needlessly partisan.
Obvious years before it was implemented, that's part of the problem.
I find the framing of the (potential) negatives interesting. Not worse, too soon to say, holding up
I don't think it's about framing and more about that's just what there is to say about them.
Worsening traffic outside the area was a main concern of congestion pricing, so "Not worse" is actually the best case scenario.
"Too soon to say" if pollution decreased is not really a potential negative. It has decreased but it's literally just too soon to say if it had anything to do with the policy or if it's just a fluke. It needs to stay consistently lower than in the surrounding areas to say, for sure, that it's due to the policy.
They also looked at the number of visitors in the area and theater capacity and found it's a little higher than last year but within margin of error so they can't say it's worse but also can't say it's better so "Holding up" is as transparent as it gets. Some business owners have said that it hurt their business, so there's that.
should have been done decades ago. would have been quite a bit harder to implement before the tech that enables it to be done efficiently, though.
I'm glad that they included numbers and not just subjective interpretations...wait