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I feel ya, some of the posts you said that on, probably should be NSFW. But not a romantic kiss imho. Other sites solved this ages ago with explicit, questionable and safe tags.
I think it's ridiculous that Lemmy adopted the binary NSFW option from Reddit. With the Ukraine war and people posting videos as NSFW with body parts laying around. I don't want to see the anime pictures in the same bucket as that either.
There needs to be more tags and that would make everyone happy.
[...] and I don’t want it in /all.
Skill issue. That's literally what /all is for.
Block what you don't want, or set your starting page to subscribed and curate from there. That's half the point of this entire place.
The other half you already did the work: notified the comms they have to set to NFW, etc.
"All" means all. I suggest not using "all" but subscribing to things you actually want to see.
This is a recurring response, so forgive me for hijacking your comment to write this again.
/all is where we make our first impression to the world. For a lot of people /all is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
Go to your Settings, uncheck the "Show NSFW content" box, click Save.
i don't see nsfw in /all cause you can just turn off NSFW content in settings, dude.
easy as pie. your "soft NSFW" filter is baked in.
Thanks for duding me
You have not read or don’t understand the OP. This is about communities like my example in the OP, which many would not consider NSFW, but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people. The communities don’t want the NSFW tag, but the users who want the ability to filter out the soft NSFW stuff.
There is a soft tag built into the post itself: the title. It says "Ikkitousen." If you know what Ikkitousen is, you know it's an ecchi anime. If you don't know what Ikkitousen is, you have to decide for yourself if the post is worth opening blind. On an anime community it should come as no surprise that people would post characters from ecchi (and not necessarily hard-defined NSFW) shows.
Though I don't disagree with your suggestion for having more user control, the root of this is entirely a personal problem that others shouldn't be expected to accommodate for you. Go into your display settings and turn off thumbnails and be self-policing in what links you click on.
"but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people."
i get that you're trying to make a point about what content should or shouldn't be tagged as nsfw, but at some point you have to accept that this is the internet.
no place is ever going to cater to anyone's exact standards of what is and isn't "appropriate". and while there are communities that don't want to conform to using nsfw tags, I have an "/all" that is completely devoid of any nsfw content. which is what you have specifically mentioned in your other comments in this thread.
the responsibility is on you to curate your own feed to your own specifications. and its not even a difficult process. it just takes a bit of time.
"All means all.
Not always. For instance if you have NSFW filtered, in which case "all" means "most".
The only way All works is by either manually blocking individual communities or manually blocking certain instances.
Once you're done, it's mostly fine, but like you say, new ones do pop up.
There's ONE GUY who runs like 20 different AI porn communities and keeps creating more.
Exactly what I've done. Set my settings to hide NSFW, blocked most of the "soft" communities like hot girls and moe anime girls and whatever else (blocking the lemmynsfw.com instance is a great place to start), and I use All frequently. That's how I've found all the communities I've subscribed to, but frankly, my /all feed is small enough that I usually see all my subscribed communities anyway.
Why am I not surprised that the most sensible response comes from one of the more awesome mods on this platform
o7 sir, thanks for acknowledging my point and chiming in.
Hey, I was in your boat when I started on Lemmy 2 years ago.
"Wow, that's a lot of furry porn. And gay porn. And gay, furry porn."
Not gonna judge, if that's your thing, it's your thing, it's just not MY thing...
Stop browsing by /all. The firehose will always have content that is of dubious categorization. Instead of trying to change the whole world to conform to your tastes, curate your communities and leave others be.
I don't disagree, and it'd be really nice if people were better about tagging things like scantily clad yuri as NSFW. Even if there's no naughty bits, I'd just really appreciate being able to browse for new linux communities in public while having questionable stuff come up as blurred thumbnails. I don't want it gone, I just want tagging guidelines to be followed.
The subscription tab exists for this very reason. Stop being a selfish prick and trying to curate /ALL
No! Those who posts unmarked NSFW are the ones that should stop being a selfish prick and mark it as NSFW
The example OP has giving isn't even NSFW though, so no tag is warranted.
You're somewhat correct of course but the NSFW tag exists for a reason. If there is one entire category of /all you can just filter out due to lack of interest, it should be stuff like that. Maybe at some point we'll also get an 'AI' tag.
The pro of being able to 'safely', for lack of a better term, browse /all is being able to discover stuff that you are not subscribed to, stuff you might not find otherwise.
Plenty of other people have said it, and I'll repeat it: Stop browsing by /all. Find a handful of communities you want to subscribe to, and stick with those.
There is a fair point to make that it's instances that should default to /local instead of /all - at least for uncredentialed guests. Since if you want to see more, you can just get to the next instance, and the next, and the next..., and that way we avoid reloading basically the same content and stuff on every instance you visit.
And it helps instances better moderate how they present themselves to potential sign-ups.
That is indeed a fair talking point, which of course has its own risk of a new user not know there's more to the fediverse (or not knowing what the fediverse is) than only what a local instance shows.
A new user will know because they sign in and they get access to more features of the instance, such as ability to follow, star, block, etc.
A mere visitor, can simply be pointed to the /all button. It just does not need to be the default.
I browse All and have like 2000 communities blocked
[Edit] 1823 communities and 12 instances blocked
I mean...that doesn't really seem that bad? Also, asking for the whole community to be nsfw is a wild overreaction looking at the other pictures in the community.
If you browse the all feed, expect to see some things you don't like/enjoy. It's a fire hose of content by design. Learn to curate your subscribed feed and stick to it. Frankly, lemmy doesn't have great filters/blocks to do what you want, and expecting the whole rest of the internet to abide by such strict standards of nsfw isn't going to happen.
apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
It's very much manageable. You could also try blocking certain instances or users.
Other than that, though titties.
I don't know any place which have the proposed "soft nsfw" filter separate from "nsfw".
Comparison with reddit is weird as reddit r/all is full of ""artistic"" pictures or paintings of naked women.
Also the fediverse is not really like reddit. The more the platform grows the more useless All becomes. Try to go to mastodon and browse by "all" it's unusable. Either pick an instance with a good "local" you like or all is not really that important. I don't think it's a "first impressions", first impression is "local". All is never going to be a curated feed, not a consistent one. It's a federated platform, which means a LOT of diversity and variety on communities and posts.
Also I don't see or even want to start consider anything that shows a little skin "nsfw". I think that's a very personal taste that should not be universally applied.
I really don't buy the argument here.
Argument 1: nobody else has it so why should we? Because we are new, the next step - we improve what needs to be done better.
Argument 2: reddit is full of porn.. see above. We can make it better, at very little cost to anyone.
Argument 3 is undermining your first 2, but I agree. This would cause a few instances to become very popular and render the concept of federation unnecessary.
I don’t understand how a bunch of people here are basically say /all is a sewer, accept it.
I’m say it is not and doesn’t have to be. It is a place for discovery, and there is a way to make that more pleasant. Another commenter said an AI filter would also be good.
All I am suggesting is In addition to having the Fediverse allowing posts and communities to be marked NSFW, to allow for more filters. One filter like what I am suggesting could be a snowflake or FamFriendly filter which removes suggestive, soft porn or racy or soft gore stuff. Another could be AI which removes synthetically generated content.
How anyone can be against that is beyond me. I’m not asking for these things to be turned on by default, or to shove it down people’s throats. By default /all would still be the same
I understand NSFW and FamilyFriendly are blurry concepts. It is still up to the post OPs, community creators, moderators and instance administrators to use these properly.
People are against it because several reasons.
First because it's a very specific taste/opinion that they don't share. You are saying that "all would be more appealing without softcore porn", but it seems that you are the only one who thinks that here, most people don't care or even like it. We could also put a filter to blurry dog pictures for people scare of dogs, where does it end? Until which point personal tastes should have their own explicit filters? It ends in a "word filter" which is already usable.
Also I would say that most people is against this because it reads as a first step towards a "porn ban". We have no puritan advertisements or pay processor to please. People here like the freedom. And that would be a step in the opposite direction. It reads a little like so many discourses we are seeing in so many places to make them "family friendly" and to "protect the children". I would suppose that due the nature of the fediverse (which is a push back against those people controlling our internet) is against anything that looks like that.
Nobody really seems to be pointing out that you are on an instance that does not require the behavior you are requesting.
I thought this community is for discussions about the Fediverse and not limited to any particular instance.
Yes, but there are no (cannot be) any content rules that apply to the entire fediverse, the admins of each instance determine what experience their users will have.
Not everyone is seeing the same posts you are seeing, and your instance has no rules on the topic. You could have more luck enacting change by messaging your admins or making a meta post in your instance's meta community.
That's your example of softcore porn? There's much racier content on magazine covers in the grocery checkout line. Stop trying to impose your puritanical aesthetic on the rest of the world. It's called /all for a reason. What's wrong with you?!
It's also bad because of the UK online safety act. I don't want our flamingo to be at risk :(