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Games on Linux are great now this is why I fully moved to Linux. Is the the work place Pc's market improving.

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[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 26 points 5 days ago

People can’t be bothered to run better messaging apps. Expecting them to change OS is crazy

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

Default install from box store systems

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 77 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I think part of the problem is that while Linux software is constantly getting more user friendly, the average user is getting less knowledgeable about computers at just as fast of a rate. People even understanding the concept of files and folders doesn't seem to be a given anymore.

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 days ago

Everything mainstream is a black box corporate ecosystem these days. Kids learn how to use specific programs and mobile apps, but don't learn anything about the OS or machine itself because everything is isolated and "just works".

It's a really weird spot to be in. We're used to the older generations being bad with tech, but now it's also the younger ones too.

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 6 days ago

That's more depressing than I can handle

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Part of the problem there is that we don’t teach people how to actually use computers, we teach how to use specific programs instead usually.

A few months back I saw a post somewhere about how “kids these days don’t know how to read an analog clock”. And it’s the exact same thing, you have to teach people how to use them. You don’t just innately know how to use these things we created.

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[–] gazter@aussie.zone 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

You use an interesting example- personally, I feel like while files and folders have their place, I prefer they be part of the background and not presented to the user. Take photos, for example. If I'm looking for pictures of my dog, I don't want to go into the 2022 folder, then the August folder, then look through all those files, back out into 2022 then go into the September folder, etc. I just want to type 'dog'. Or pick from a dropdown list of common tags, or anything other than digging through files and folders.

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[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (14 children)

Be preinstalled on laptops/desktops.

everything else is ready unless you use niche software. Most people just use a browser and word or a pdf editor.

note the distro MUST be an immutable up to date kde flatpak using one for normal people, however

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 6 days ago

This most difficult one is probably the fact that 99% of people do not install their operating system.

The device they purchase needs to have a clean and elegant out of box experience like the Mac. Regular folk who are willing to stray from windows don't consider any computer that doesn't come off the shelf with sane defaults. Everything else is arcane to them.

We are not those people. I have to remind myself that not everyone likes to build their own systems.

I do have a friend who wants to buy a framework laptop with Fedora on it because that's what they use in the Laboratory he works in but he doesn't want to assemble it himself he just wants it to come like that.

I think we're getting there finally.

I think with any alternative to big tech the problem is most people are really unwilling to change their habits and make short term compromises. A lot of people know on a surface level that big tech is stealing their data etc. But actually changing their habits goes to far.

Another issue is that its more or less a systemic issue.

To many people aren't even awear of what FOSS even is. The state of Foss and is a bit complicated where you do have organizations and activists advocating for it but also gigantic corporations that use Foss technology and exploit the free labor that goes into it.

There definitely needs to be more activism for FOSS technology and alternatives to big tech. And those alternatives should be open to everyone like Linux is. Of course there are always multiple reasons why something isn't used but I do think it is important to look at a bigger perspective than individual consumer/ in this case users

[–] mub@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Adding my voice to the hardware compatibility issue. While most hardware just works, Linux usually lacks the ability to configure the device. Audio interfaces are a good example of this. They work but you can't set the sample rate or enable any custom features on ANY of them.

I believe government regulators should step in and require hardware manufacturers to provide Linux support equal to Windows or Mac. This could be relaxed for low volume or highly specialised devices, but mainstream consumer stuff should be more universal.

It CAN be configured, but you have to go hunting for the tools to do so.

I've got an old 5.1 surround sound speaker setup attached to my main rig, and in both Cinnamon and KDE (the only two I've tried), you can't use the normal DE's audio control panel to put the thing in 5.1 mode without first installing an old, probably unmaintained tool called ALSAJackRetask. Once you've retasked the jacks, several options for surround appear in the DE's audio control panel. It knows but it can't do.

[–] nocteb@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago (5 children)

They work but you can't set the sample rate or enable any custom features on ANY of them.

Not in my experience. I have a RME card that can be configured via alsamixer (which should work for most cards) and a Focusrite Saphire USB interface that someone wrote a little UI for in which you can even freely route audio to/from different channels and mix busses.

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[–] Flimbo@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Personally for me its compatibility and support. Too many of programs and hardware I use daily aren't compatible or even have a Linux version or have little to no support officially or not.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People who convince themselves they "just aren't good with computers."

In the early 2000s, it was widely thought that everyone who grew up with them would be reasonably competent with them. We now have 20-30 year olds who are still stumped with basic computing concepts like how to reset a forgotten password. I literally ran into this a couple of months ago: Really? You haven't had to do this a dozen times in your life by now? How did you finish college (this person was highly educated)?

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I had a similar problem with a couple of friends a few weeks back. They're a couple with a lot of debt, so they usually do everything they can to save money. Then the main water line started leaking.

I asked a few questions, and it turned out they could solder the pipes themselves and save hundreds on hiring a plumber. But the wife kept insisting that they were both too dumb to figure it out and by me saying it's easy to learn she just took it as me calling them stupid (which was a weird bit of gaslighting).

They didn't even look up a video on how to do it. I looked some up as a sanity check, and yeah it's fairly straightforward. Here's a really good video on it for those curious.

[–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

just took it as me calling them stupid (which was a weird bit of gaslighting).

Glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It's not everyone I meet, but I know quite a few people who double down on their inability to do simple tasks or learn a basic skill... I mostly wonder where it started for these people.

Similar situation, had a buddy recently throw on a pair of $300 headphones because the cable broke.

[–] haloduder@thelemmy.club 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] RavenofDespair@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Unfortunately this is the case for a lot of the worlds problems

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Linux has only become much more user friendly in about the past 5 years. Installing Linux Mint in my experience was actually easier than Windows. It comes down to education and the misconception that using Linux is somehow more difficult than Windows or iOS. The hard truth is if someone is using Windows or iOS they are probably just too lazy to switch as long as it does what they need they don't care if they're being burdened with bloatware or spied on.

[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Most of the comments here seem to be from the consumer perspective, but if you want broader adoption, you need to consider the corporate market too. Most corporate software these days is web-based, so the problem is less with the software and more with the people responsible for it.

The biggest hurdle is friction with the internal IT team. They like Windows because that's all they ever learnt and they're not interested in maintaining a diverse set of company laptops. They won't entertain Linux in a corporate environment unless it's mandated by management, and even if the bosses approve it, IT will want a way to lock you out of your laptop, force updates, do a remote wipe, etc.

There are (proprietary) tools to do some of this, but they generally suck and often clash with your package manager. Microsoft is just way ahead of Linux in the "bloatware that tours your hands" department.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago

This is it. Exactly it. Internal IT management wants a good, centrally managed system to lock down and control corporate devices. Heck, corporations often even contract this task (and help desk) to management companies.

Let's assume the tools and the experts are there to perform these remote management shenanigans, after this it only comes to "money talks". Don't have to replace a 2-4yo laptop with a new one if the old one still performs fine for another 2-4 years. So then you have to weigh the cost of expertise against slower amortization.


My company disabled VPN access for anything but macOS and Win11. Because even though the VPN we use is mandated to be used with a closed source app, and the app has a Linux version, the IT dudes couldn't exit vim when asked to manually edit /etc/environment

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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

In Enterprise: manageability. It's hard to overstate how powerful Windows Group Policy is. Being able to configure every single aspect of the OS and virtually all major applications, Microsoft or otherwise, using a single application that can apply rules dynamically based on user, device, user or device groups, time of day, location, battery level, form factor, etc, etc. Nothing on Linux comes close, especially when simplicity is a factor, and until it does most large organisations won't touch it with a barge pole.

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

CAD software.

FreecCAD just released it's first full version and it's a pain to use. Back in 2018 somebody said FOSS CAD software was at least ten years behind the big windows commercial software. I think now it's about fifteen behind.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I disagree. Majority of average office workers do not use CAD software. It's not a hurdle to widespread adoption.

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[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago

A multi-billion dollars marketing budget, anti-competitive practices and confidential agreements, blacklisting hardware vendors if they dare proposing an alternative, and of course a legal department the size of a small city to sue all competition out of existence.

Oh wait that's Microsoft/Google/Apple/Meta/Amazon.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This question comes up every other week. I reject the premise that "more users" is a commonly held objective.

For most linux / OSS projects the objective is to be the best the project can be. Having an active community is usually part of that but "more users" is a low priority.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I remember when "the internet" was a bunch of older nerds and kids. My parents, aunts, uncles, etc didn't even know how to go online. It was great! More users made it much worse. Please don't become the mainstream OS.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Stigma.

A very large number of people believe Linux is difficult to get into. There are a number of publisher that somehow think Linux users are all hackers that will cheat in their online games. There are a not-so-insignificant number of Linux users who like Linux to remain niche, and small, and exclusive, and difficult to get into, and scoff at the idea of a "general user".

[–] oshu@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

I feel like we've been having the same conversation for 20 years. Meanwhile the linux family of operating systems is now the most widely deployed in the world.

[–] lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago

Native Adobe apps ports :(

[–] arsCynic@beehaw.org 9 points 6 days ago

Either:

  1. A smarter and wiser population able to discern and care enough that they're being cucked by Microsoft, overcoming the inertia to install Linux.
  2. Linux invents a game/feature that is so goddamn appealing that everyone wants in on the action.
  3. Preinstallation.
[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

As my employer has turned to almost exclusive webcrap over software - I see no hurdles really. Webapps run shitty either way. Fucking Salesforce and Opus bullshit... refresh.. refresh...

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I think the gap between what the average Linux user thinks is ease of use and what the average non Linux user thinks is ease of use is probably much larger and many devs seem to understand.

I think it would be beneficial to have a completely idiot proof installer that doesn't ask you about partitions or formatting or basically anything just point it towards a drive and it will set up a default installation.

More GUI based means of doing basic stuff. A casual who wants to access some photos from his laptop does not want to figure out how to manually configure samba shares by editing config files in their terminal based text editor.

I think codecs are a much bigger pain in the ass than is ideal. As I understand that there are legal reasons for this but the first time some casual goes to play a video and gets an error message their first thought may not be "let me search Google and figure out what this error message means" their first thought maybe "Linux sucks and can't play videos".

The permission structure that makes Linux so secure makes it a little annoying for casuals. For example, you actively and intentionally go to the default software store, navigate to the updates tab, update a package you've already installed and clearly want, and do so from the official OS repository... This requires that you enter your password to protect you from what exactly? It's not a big deal it takes one second to type my password, but how would you explain this to a casual in a way that makes sense? Your OS is protecting you from potentially rogue acts of official patches to your default text editor.

I think the folder structures are pretty big challenge for converts. On Windows you can find most of the files associated with any given program in your program files folder. On Mac there's an applications folder. On Linux... it's somewhere, don't worry about it. That's not really a fixable one it just is what it is.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Probably the best response here. I'd also add the moment the user has to deal with using the CLI that is it for them. I can't imagine the average consumer going into config files or even dealing with "chmod". It is like auto enthusiasts rolling their eyes at people who don't change their own spark plugs or oil.

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