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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 199 points 1 week ago (32 children)

Problem is that when they see "love they neighbor" they look around and only see straight white folks, so they assume everyone else is excluded for some reason

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 112 points 1 week ago (4 children)

When I was in Sunday School, we were given a strict (Catholic Catechism) definition: Your neighbor is anyone you meet. It doesn't even specify any "human." My mom always brought home that point whenever animal cruelty was discussed.

Of course, my parents who taught me that lesson are still Catholic and yet super proud of my identity. Very chill with my trans spouse. Even marched with me at a local pride event.

Maybe they're the exception but "love thy neighbor" does still have tangible meaning to some folks.

[–] compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago

I’m glad to hear that they are so supportive, that’s awesome! I hope my Catholic parents are as accepting when I come out to them as trans

[–] saimen@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah might be a translation issue. In the german version it's not "neighbour" but rather "the one next to you".

[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

In French too. "Aime ton prochain".

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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Race science was created specifically so that they could see non-white people as non-people. This was done so that Christians could (just barely) hold onto their belief system while committing all of the atrocities of the colonial era.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago

I actually just happened to be reading a relevant part of Lies My Teacher Told Me that quotes Montesquieu (French philosopher who influenced the US founding fathers):

It is impossible for us to suppose these creatures to be men, because, allowing them to be men, a suspicion would follow that we ourselves are not Christian.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do they see "love thy neighbor?" I think many ignore that part entirely

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 105 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wow tax collectors catching strays even 2000 years ago.

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[–] black0ut@pawb.social 13 points 1 week ago

Transcription for those who need it:

Matthew 5:43-48 New International Version

Love for Enemies You have heard that it was said "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Suddenly, Republican Christians: "You can't just take quotes from the Bible out of context and apply them to your argument! 😠"

[–] madthumbs@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trust me, it's mostly Christians taking them out of context and denying clear statements. For example, Charlie Kirk spun: 'but what did the original word for slave mean in the Bible'. Well context actually defines the word for us:

Leviticus 25: 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

I've never seen a Christian effectively argue context by showing context (as above).

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Trust me, it's mostly Christians taking them out of context and denying clear statements.

That's pretty much exactly what I was getting at

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Me, 89% of the time when I see or hear Christians use this statement.

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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 70 points 1 week ago (12 children)

If you need a manual to be a good person, you aren't a good person.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I find it sad to fall back on 2000 year old literature to justify our behavior.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

When someone uses the Bible to justify their hate or bigotry, it’s very easy to throw back in their face. They never believed any of it — especially not anything that radical leftist Jesus taught — it’s a tool that represents whatever they want for their manipulative, selfish, self-centered purposes. What is written there doesn’t matter. It never did.

Watch as they dismiss you anyway, with greatest hits like:

  • “That’s not what {$DENOMINATION} teaches.”
  • “That’s just heretical.”
  • ”So your interpretation is right but everyone else is wrong?”
  • ”You’re taking it out of context”, especially after you just added context to a thing they were deliberately taking out of context.
  • “Even the devil can quote scripture.”
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[–] wizblizz@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

There's no hate quite like Christian love.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The Muscular Christianity movement of the mid 19th century really took issue with this. Back then church attendance was 4:1 women to men and manly men were having trouble maintaining interest because Jesus' message was "too loving and gentle" so not very manly. They started redefining Christianity according to "manly" virtues, particularly they kicked all the women out of their administrative roles in church, started building sporting complexes next to churchs and reframed the old thinking of physical vigor being a form of vanity to instead being a sign of moral and spiritual excellence.

I'm not kidding but they even changed the appearance of Jesus, commissioning art work where he was depicted with broader shoulders and a more defined chest, signalling readiness for action.

Modern toxic masculinity is a "despiritualized" adaptation of Muscular Christianity.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Which is kind of funny, as some would say Jews of Old Testament times were expecting their coming messiah or king to be some kind of military leader. One who might lead them against the oppression of the Romans. Maybe kind of like Moses.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Attempting to use the bible as a source for good just doesn't work because they are always exceptions and hateful rhetoric in other bible chapters they can point to.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Or they can wholesale just make shit up like all the evangelical rapture crap. Hell, look at even the constitution and how that's been stretched and colored for all of the anti-progressive rhetoric in the past.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Even when I was a religious child, I still found contradictions in the bible. But, as you know, when you were a young naive child like everyone of us and found something odd, we're told to ignore it and just don't think about it.

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[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

"then you ain't one of mine. go on, git!" -Jesus apparently, Gospel of John chapter 13 verse 35

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Show me the part where Jesus says to stone all the queers. I'll wait.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Show me the part where Jesus says the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. I'll wait.

Show me the part where Jesus says conservatives are also people. I'll wait.

Show me the part where Jesus says you can't say fuck on the internet. I'll wait.

I could go on forever. I would love to express how utterly fucking dumb it is to base your moral compass on one book only (which prooooobably doesn't cover all areas of life, society, science, etc.), let alone one that was written more than a millenium ago, but I guess once you ignore everything else (such as scientific proof, actual observations, wellbeing of others) and only stick with whatever a select few people tell you, and believe it unconditionally, there's no point bringing up logic.

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[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I think that Jesus' meaning was "love one another unconditionally" regardless you are foreigner, woman, LGBT person, or an outlaw. Jesus was a leftist (and of course just a historical person, not a deity).

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[–] Una@europe.pub 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They will usually respond with "hate the sin not the sinner" or something like that, idk but never give good reason why being LGBTQ is a sin

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Well a lot of people professing to be Christians could do a lot better at loving LGBT people than they are doing right now, so I say take them up on that.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

And John 8 while we're at it. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Show me where in the bible Jesus ever said to place actual laws of government preventing anything LGBTQ+ from taking place

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to the ai, they’re all going to hell

Using God's name in vain means to misuse or misrepresent God's name, often by invoking it for false oaths, empty promises, or inappropriately associating it with harmful actions. It emphasizes the importance of honoring God's name and not using it lightly or for wrongful purposes.

Every fundamentalist who insists they know god’s will and can inflict it on you is in violation of this commandment

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[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I prefer 'be excellent to each other' from the book of Bill and Ted.

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Also, the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

[–] floopus@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Romans 1:26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Clearly homosexuality is wrong according to the bible. Sorry, you simply aren't going to convince a fundamentalist to agree let LGBT folk be, when you have quotes like this in the book. Saying "jesus said love" isn't going to do it. Best strategy is the one that has been working. Education, so that people don't take religion so seriously or literally.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You're right, the Bible is full of contradictions, which I believe is fully on purpose, so that the devout can point to all the times God says love and say "look, my religion is one of love, my God is a god of love!" And then use that to justify committing all the other heinous act condoned in the Bible.

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[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (16 children)

As far as the Bible goes, John was good. Great opening, and an overarching theme of "just be nice".

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