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This does unfortunately happen multiple times per day. Sometimes it’s smaller incidents where the tram driver can get out and collapse the car’s mirror. Other times the owner of the car comes out of a nearby house after the tram used its bell extensively (like today) and moves the car. And then there are times when police needs to get involved to tow the car which often takes upwards of 1 hour.

The truly infuriating part is that if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

Why do we accept that drivers sabotage a city’s public transport infrastructure like this?

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[–] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 265 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The lack of a fine for that is insane.

[–] porksnort@slrpnk.net 62 points 1 week ago

It’s eatablished common law. Park your steam powered velocipede in a right of way and one can suck it.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

The lack of "just fucking ram it" is insane.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 162 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

This is mainly an enforcement problem. If the city simply towed every car that did this, this sort of shit would stop immediately. But of course nobody wants to hurt the precious little feefees of car drivers because they're very very special little snowflakes.

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 80 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a situation where they're underplaying the role of a tram, while further glorifying cars. If a car parked in the middle of a car going road there would be outrage and hefty fines. While in this case, it is relatively lightly brushed off.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Yep! Here in Germany many of the big political parties are bought by the car industry and car centric thinking is very widespread. Any measures to limit these issues like cutting free parking spots will cause a big uproar.

If you buy a car, do not buy German. I certainly won’t.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

It'd be even better for the tram to just push the car put of the way, and then hold the car owner responsible for any damage that results.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago (12 children)

would it be a controversial opinion that those trams should be strong enough to ram and move those cars, the owner is then responsible to pay for the fines, damages to his own vehicle, and whatever damages the ramming has caused to the tram.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 46 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Not controversial at all.

It's already established law that firefighters can shatter the windows of your car and drag the fire hose through it if you park in front of a hydrant.

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[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They most likely are, but they are also full of passengers.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm thinking slowly pushing it safely.

not too ram it at full speed. although that would be fun.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And running over loose metal parts and carbon fiber is mechanically undesirable.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)
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[–] arin@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

In Belgium it works like this: If the tram could seemingly pass, but the tram driver was mistaken, then the car owner + insurance has to pay the tram company for the damage/delay/towing. If the tram driver has to stop and wait for the car to get towed, then the car owner + their insurance have to pay for towing costs + the tram delay. In theory anyway: I don't know hard the enforcement is, maybe they only try to go after delay costs if they are significant.

Dutch article with 2 examples, first one with car at fault, 2nd one with bus at fault: https://mijnverkeersongeval.be/nl/faq_categories/aansprakelijkheid/bijzondere-gevallen/tram

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

People keep doing it because they get away with it.

Put a cow-catcher on the front, like the old-timey trains, and roll those cars out of the way. Make sure that it gets covered heavily in the media, with cars left on their sides and roofs.

The scofflaws will get the message really quick, and stop it.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is the way. Its like how fireman handle someone parking in front of a hydrant. They go through the car with fire axes. The persons doing it deserve it.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 39 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Big fine + towed car. Even those car brains will learn.

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

AchBremen.txt

This is particularly bad in this German city, the city state even won a court case that allows on-curb parking, because the city is too afraid of car owners and too little of pedestrians, wheelchair users and bicycle riders.

The sound of the bell makes me so angry.

Sometimes, the tram passengers group up and move small cars out of the tracks manually.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Or any car abandoned on the tracks becomes public property and is auctioned off to improve the trams

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 33 points 1 week ago

Trams should operate on fire truck rules.

You don't need a fine, per se, you just get billed for the repairs after it rams your vehicle out of the way.

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In Vienna, over the last decade the authorities have removed hundreds of parking spots like this where cars repeatedly blocked the tram. Now, the number of times it happens is very low, since the spots that remain should be very easy to Park in a way that doesnt block

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[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact that the drivers aren't fined is what's most wild to me. Where I live they fine the everliving fuck out of you if you park somewhere you're not supposed to.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 28 points 1 week ago

Slap a cow catcher on the front of those trams and blast those mfers out of the way. Park on the tracks at your own risk assholes.

[–] SektorC@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 week ago (16 children)

The city of St. Gallen in Switzerland simply charges CHF 20 per minute that the tram is blocked. (21€ / $25) https://www.srf.ch/news/zug-blockiert-falschparken-kostet-20-franken-pro-minute

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[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 25 points 1 week ago

The transportation company is not responsible if passengers break the windows of the car and flatten their tires. I guess doing this a couple of times and the newspapers reporting crazy team users destroying cars on the path of the train will fix the issue.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Put a bull bar on the tram, easy fix

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[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago

In Amsterdam they just drive on and push the car off the tracks lmao.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

THAT is exactly the problem.

The politicians made sure the Law was set-up to benefit car owners and screw the rest, similarly to how drivers will get a mere fine when they kill somebody with their car whilst distracted (say, looking at their mobile phones) in situations which if they didn't do it behind the wheel of a car would be treated as involuntary homicide (what Americans call manslaughter) and carry a jail sentence, because they didn't have due care and attention whilst controlling a dangerous piece of machinery.

I once heard (not really sure if it's true, but damn I would love if it was) about how in Switzerland they had this car tow which was simply a big grab claw - similar to those in junkyards - that just grabbed irregularly park cars from above to put it in the tow truck and, well, any damage to the vehicle was the responsability of the car owner for having parked the car like that

Have something like that and this problem you're describing (in, judging by the picture, Bremen in Germany) would solve itself within a month as news travelled of car owners doing this shit and getting their car trashed. Then again, German mainstream politicians absolutelly are in the pockets of the car industry (all it takes is to look at how the handling of the Emissions Scandal was basically "blame some random Engineer", or check which companies get the most subsidies in Germany), so don't expect pro-people legilstation if it goes against the interests of the car lobby.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I assume the spot is clearly labeled for no parking? Just station a tow truck by the offending spot. Someone parks there they get an insta-tow. Word will get around quick enough.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah tow truckers live for this sort of gig, multiple tows per day, while basically hanging out

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gotta fine that shit, that is unacceptable, wtf. Weak af.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

If the problem is that widespread, couldn't you hire someone to patrol this track all day with a tow truck and promptly tow away any offenders, financing the operation with the fines that are incurred?

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

As a car guy (yes I know where I am - I don't live in a city though), idiots like this make no sense to me.

If you enjoy driving, you should in fact be in favor of public transit. It means less traffic, makes driving nicer. Even if you're 100% self-absorbed, you should still be supportive of public transit.

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[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago

Wait, how is the vehicle on rails responsible for hitting anything that isn't moving?

[–] AngularViscosity@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same for bicycle lanes. I've had people pull up and stop right on my lane in front of me, fully expecting me to go around them while exposing myself to oncoming traffic instead of waiting 5 seconds for me to pass.

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