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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Like, I'm looking into robotic lawnmowers. Which seem to come in three types:

  1. Perimeter wire "10 drive forward until you hit something; 20 turn a random amount; 30 goto 10" types

  2. GPS plus a beacon you install on your property guided things that don't work under trees and still require an internet uplink

  3. Camera/LIDAR guided ones that require an internet uplink because the processing is done on "the cloud."

Meanwhile there's some kid in Europe who's put together a GPS guided one that does all the processing on a raspberry pi onboard. You teach it its boundaries by driving it around with an Xbox controller. Why does this need "the cloud?"

I still love the idea of digital automation, I don't want anything to do with this world where a multi-thousand dollar lawn bot is dependent on a server on the internet somewhere and they can either sell your data to Lithuanian data rapists or "iMow is now a subscription service, to ever mow your lawn again, enter your payment details so that we can charge you $9.99 while leaking your data to Lithuanian data rapists."

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

100% this.

But also "We're shutting down the servers for iMow 1 after which it will become unusable and we will not release an SDK or OTA update to allow 3rd party firmware. Please visit your nearest retailer to purchase iMow 2 and we promise we won't do the same thing to it in 2 years.

[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

Seems like itd be pretty trivial to have it be able to just repeat the path everytime. Just make sure you always start it in the same place. The first run could still be done with an xbox controller or whatever but i dont see why youd even need GPS, itd just have to remember a set of instructions

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, that's me. I have my smart phone but I try not to keep it on my person for large swaths of the day. I've stopped wearing a smart watch entirely. I'm slowly getting the traditional "smart" devices out of my life. I recently bought an inexpensive sewing machine too, and I went with Brother brand, but I got one that was adjusted mechanically rather than computerized, just in case.

But I do love me some free/libre technology! In was just getting a bunch of games installed on my son's Linux PC (I am bringing LAN parties back in this home), and if hobby time permits this winter I might start getting into home assistant and locally controlled smart devices. And since I'm already an embedded systems dev, I'll probably come up with some fun stuff to do with raspberry pi's or similar.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 1 points 9 hours ago

HomeAssistant is great if you can source locally-controllable accessories. I've got smart bulbs and plugs but they all run Tasmota and never leave my local network (not that they can on their isolated VLAN lol). They're just getting more difficult to source. Last I checked, Zigbee is the way to go.

I've been playing with an OrangePi zero 2w the last week and a half. Definitely fun if you don't mind occasionally frustrating lol.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Smart phone? Sure.

Smart Speaker? Sure.

Smart refrigerator? Fuck off with that. Even the Roomba was better when it just wandered everywhere. Now it gets confused if a door is closed.

[–] teolan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I just learned that there are alarm clocks that expect you to pay a 5€/month subscription to fully use their app...

I was looking for a sunrise alarm clock to not want to snooze as much. Ended up buying a 12 year old model second hand for nothing. Does exactly its job.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 18 hours ago

I was never into bullshit/garbage/pseudo tech. The only thing that really changed is there is more bullshit/garbage/pseudo tech than ever before.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yup. I was all in on everything technical. It's been draining more and more over the years. And in the last 5 years I'm honestly looking at getting rid of my phone for a dumb phone, getting a stable linux install, pretending there are no new games or things by getting internet so slow all I can do is pay bills and fill forms or read text based forums, and fucking off into the sunset.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah, this is me entirely.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

smart systems that feed me MORE advertising? well shit.... no thanks

[–] UsedLinuxDealer@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or that exist solely to sell the data it collects about you. Living in the panopticon sucks.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Also, they push smart devices to sell you a subscription so that their revenue stream is unending. Eightsleep's mattresses fall in this category IMHO. Also, remember Juicero?

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago

Yep, so many things these days a very clearly a minimum viable product - it just barely does something, just enough that some will buy it, but the company is clearly just trying to steal yr dataz.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Smart devices that do not do that would be nice. Like I want a device that I can control through my network, not one that tells the company all my usage of it, or well anything it's not what I purchased it for.

I should check into devices that don't need an external connection, not overly difficult to set up a secondary network that won't go outside, once I remember how to do that anyways.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Smart devices that do not do that would be nice.

There's a whole world under HomeAssistant that you're gonna love. You can even repurpose the stuff currently connected to the clowd via data umbilical, and make them into internal-only devices.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Hah I may have read home assistant as a description not realizing it's software for this stuff and not say Amazon's brand of ... Well whatever data collection. I will definitely be checking it out. Seems like what I'm looking for. To be fair I haven't looked into it much yet but may have overlooked it if I didn't read this.

As much as I try to keep up with stuff it's so easy to pass by software these days. I used to read everything back in the 90s / early 2000s, these days not as often.

I appreciate the point to the right direction immensely.

[–] etherphon@midwest.social 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I thought tech would be a lot cooler, it's just all shitty touchscreens with bland interfaces attached to intrusive companies, no thanks I'll just do it myself.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly. I've got so many half-finished ESP-32 projects laying around, but at least they're mine and work for me.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Greddan@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago

That was programmers in the early 00's. Outside of open source programmers, they're mostly tech/crypto-brogrammers now. Cloud connected "Smart"-everything at home, doesn't know how to host anything, no hardware experience, doesn't want to learn anything that isn't the "hot new thing" that will lead to a higher salary, all in on AI, latest iPhone.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The only smart thing I ever bought was one of those newfangled smart light bulbs. It was such a pain in the ass to set up and it wouldn't synchronize with my smartphone, and it never did work, so I gave up and returned it to the store. That was the beginning & end of my venture into smart technology.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

the IKEA ones are fine in my experience, critically you can use them without any sort of internet connection. It's not perfect (i've had some issues with the switches disconnecting) but it largely works fine for just having a fancy bulb you can control wirelessly and change the colour of.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

The killer feature of those bulbs is that you can both dim them and change the colour temperature as desired.

My office has one of those bulbs, and it will change based on the time of day (and what my desktop thinks is a good colour).

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Exactly me.

Everything turned to crap around 2012 id say. No actual innovation since then only pure capitalism slop.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 16 points 2 days ago

I miss the early years of smart phones when there was real innovation driven by competition. Now it’s just the same boring phone every year.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 9 points 1 day ago

If you want to have control over smart devices and don't want to be reliant on an internet connection, I highly recommend trying Home Assistant.

It does require a dedicated device, but it's remarkably simple to get started, and amazingly powerful if you want to get into the scripting side.

While some integrations do require internet (getting the weather, or tracking a delivery), most run entirely locally (smart lights, solar tracking, printer stats). The main problem I have is that I keep finding new things I can do with it.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

I relate to that title 100%

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just buy versions that are hackable and dont rely on external services :D

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Hackable" might not be necessary, but local only control is an absolute must.

That being said, if I had infinite money, I'd just do away with consumer "smart" devices and put in industrial controls.

Being able to flash custom firmware is what i consider "hackable" and i feel that is a must. If some cool new feature is introduced/invented that is possible to run on the hardware, then i want my devices to be able to support it while not requiring the grace of the hardware manufacturer.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

ZigBee and Z-Wave are your friends

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Smart devices can be cool again: this is a failure of consumer protection and privacy regulation.

Matter/Thread is coming to save the day (extremely slowly)! We’ve had local mesh networks like z-wave and zigbee for many years (no telemetry, no internet “portals” to grab your data and advertise) but it’s always been kind of a niche. Matter/Thread could change that

  • Consumers think an automation hub is complicated, but with Alexa, Apple, Google onboard, tens (hundreds?) of millions already have a hub.
  • Consumers never knew about local mesh networks to prioritize them, but Matter/Thread is the new hotness (ok, at least a bit)
  • Corps never saw enough profit in zwave or zigbee, but Matter/Thread opens a much wider market.

Insist on Thread (or zigbee or z-wave) for your smart devices and the shit just flushes away.

Even how slowly they’re rolling out Matter/Thread is a good thing. All that time is manufacturers coming to a consensus on device profiles, which is a huge win for interoperability.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IMO a problem with Thread is that most of the Thread Border Routers are made by the same megacorps pushing proprietary spyware smart home stuff. I get that I could still get them to work with Home Assistant, but I don't want to support them at all.

So instead I got the ESP thread border router dev board, but I haven't gotten the firmware to compile and install correctly yet and so my Thread devices still don't work.

(The only other open options I know of are (a) the Home Assistant Connect ZBT-1, but that was sold out when I was shopping for a border router and also a USB dongle instead of a standalone device, which I'm not a fan of, and (b) the Home Assistant Yellow, which was expensive and then discontinued. There's also now a GL iNet GL-S20, but I only found out about that while researching for this comment.)

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Home Assistant Connect ZBT-1, but that was sold out

Bummer, I didn’t know that. I got one at the beginning on the hope that dual stack would work. Now ive been using it for Zigbee with the expectation of buying a second one whenever i buy a thread device

BTW, I believe Inovelli Smart Switches can act as Thread Border Routers. I’m a huge fan for their feature set but don’t yet have Thread devices to try