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After a voter said he found it “astonishing” that Haley hadn’t used the word “slavery” at any point in her answer, she asked, “What do you want me to say about slavery?”

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[–] SpacePirate@lemmy.ml 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

We need to have capitalism. We need to have economic freedom.

Freedom to do what, Nikki?

freedom to do or be anything they want to be without government getting in the way.”

Freedom to exploit anything for profit, got it.

So if it’s not illegal, it’s fair game. And guess what wasn’t illegal until the Thirteenth Amendment? And guess what we had to do in order to pass that amendment?

Fight a civil war, right.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

We need the freedom to take away all the freedom that you have that we don't like!

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Guess what’s still legal as long as you got convicted of a crime and get a prison sentence?

[–] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Free to be anything unless that means LGBT or black or not Christian

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

We need to have capitalism.

This need to have capitalism by both of our ruling parties is why the American Dream no longer exists.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Freedom to be trans? Oh ohhhh #checkmate

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Guess what is not illegal even with the 13th Amendment? Slavery is a legal form of punishments.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LMAO

The exchange drew a swift response from Democratic National Committee Chair Jaime Harrison. “This isn’t hard: condemning slavery is the baseline for anyone who wants to be president of the United States,” he said in a statement.

President Joe Biden also responded with a post on X, saying, "It was about slavery."

I used to believe so many things.

And Trump really showed us that all those things we thought a president should be was optional.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Back in the day, Ronald Reagan figured out that of X% of the population was African American and X+1% of the population was racist using anti-Black dog whistles was the way to go. The problem was that the racists got tired of the dog whistles and demanded politicians who said exactly what they wanted to hear.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't find it astonishing. Let's stop pretending like the GOP isn't a group of racist, fascist assholes.

There's nothing to wonder about here. Nikki Haley is, like the rest of the GOP, perfectly fine with white supremacy and everything that comes of it up to and including slavery.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not sure that it's true that she is "fine with white supremacy" but you're right that she is likely trying to appeal to those that are.

Based on what little I know about her, (like most politicians) she wants to win, and will say whatever the "correct" words are to get the most pepple vote for her. She's also trying to win over trumpers, and she knows to dance around certain topics to do that. Problem for her is she is starting to come across as spineless in the media, which is the opposite of how (I think) trumpers see their Orange-Supreme-Leader

But yeah, she also gives off a vibe of being more rational and moderate which is what makes her a credible threat to Biden. (So I'm glad that she's fucking things up for herself, and if she can continue to put her foot in her mouth that's a plus)

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

She’s pulling a Ron Desantis. We had actual Nazi’s in full bullshit in Florida holding his signs and promoting him as governor and he wouldn’t disavow them. She is cut from the same cloth, she wants their support.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

State Right to enslave people. That is the primary cause and what it was being fought over.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You are right technically that they fought over that. But they fought to get rid of that state right, which they already had. The Confederacy made it a constitutional, federal right.

The south fought and died to get rid of their own rights for the benefit of the rich.

[–] just_change_it@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's about tradition!

Traditionally many, many children died at childbirth or soon after due to the lack of medical care and vaccines.

Traditionally the rich, wealthy and powerful have held almost all the cards of power, keeping most to themselves while denying the elevation of new generations - "new money" vs "old money" is a great example of how they try to minimize meritocracy.

Traditionally snake oil salesmen were everywhere and misleading claims were status quo. This is where we are today with politics, maybe it's always been this way too. Gotta love those weasel words!

Traditionally though... women couldn't run for office, vote, or have any real kind of say. Not really sure how you can run on a tradition platform and just gloss over that.

Oh, and traditionally in terms of human society the rich and wealthy have always owned slaves, serfs and other humans because their families had amassed wealth and land first. We're returning to this with landlordship in the USA.

Ah well, fighting over scraps until humans go extinct in the next couple of generations. No helping it imo.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Traditionally though… women couldn’t run for office, vote, or have any real kind of say.

More to the point, Nikki Haley couldn't do those things. She wouldn't have a campaign.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know you're living in the craziest timeline when the party of Lincoln is more evil than the actual Church of Satan.

[–] expr@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Hasn't been the party of Lincoln ever since the parties switched due to the southern strategy.

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

She can go lower, she'll do anything for power

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I don't believe that Nimarata thinks about black people enough for slavery to have even registered in her consciousness.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

This woman will end Union (or at least tries her hardest) as we know it. She's the biggest union buster and she's proud of it. Corporation love her so much