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here are some hyper-polluting individuals:

  • the Rolling Stones’ Boeing 767 (5,046 tonnes of CO2)
  • Lawrence Stroll (1,512 flights)
  • Thirty-nine jets linked to 30 Russian oligarchs – (30,701 tonnes of CO2)

relevant quote:

But I will say this, a movement can't get along without a devil, and across the whole political spectrum there is a misogynistic tendency to choose a female devil, whether it's Anita Bryant, Hillary Clinton, Marie Antoinette, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or J.K. Rowling [or Taylor Swift]. And there's always gonna be people who seize on any opportunity to be misogynistic. So I would advise trans people and our allies [or environmentalists] to keep in mind, that J.K. Rowling [Taylor Swift] is not the final boss of transphobia [anti-environmentalism]. She's not our devil. The devil is the Republican Party, the Conservative Party.

Natalie Wynn (emphasis and bracket text mine)

edit: if you can’t respond to this without using the c*nt expletive it is not helping your case lmao. mods are we okay with this? in any case, please don’t feed the trolls.

edit 2/FAQ: “but why did she threaten legal action against that college kid though?” still shitty, but refer to this comment for a good explanation of the context behind that decision.

She only threatened legal action since those memes started before when her flight movements got the attention of the right in an attempt to make her less credible of a voice speaking out against trump. And knowing how batshit insane trump cultists can be and how she’s basically the single most hated person of his base I’m not surprised that she feared for her security. Those records were public for years but the legal action only happened after someone created that meme and even fox news suddenly cared about plane emissions…

and another good comment

[…] For Swift, this is legitimate fear. I don't know if you've ever experienced actual fear for your life, but it's crippling, and it effects your psyche. To experience that on a daily basis because of an app? You bet your goddamn ass I'm going to talk to my lawyers about what my options are.

sources/timeline for the above:

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Stop trying to make this about Swift being a woman.

She's getting all this attention about it because her legal team sent a cease and desist letter to the guy tracking her jet threatening him with legal action over priding publically available tracking information.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How does this make her "actions wrong"? Because you disagree?

Yes, it's legal for him to do what he's doing, but it is also legal (and completely reasonable) for Swift to challenge that right because she fears for her safety. This is literally what our legal system is for.

There are a lot of insane people out there (and most of them tracking Swift's plane at this moment are right wing psychopaths that wish her harm). I really can't fucking blame her for wanting to do something about it.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

How is knowing at what airport an airplane is, public information that anyone can just pull up and find without that much know how, a massive risk to safety.

And if it is, hpw is she going to stop them from dping the neglegable research themselves

[–] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Musk made the same argument.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

So you think it's perfectly moral for the ultra wealthy to abuse the legal system to threaten and bully random people into submission because they are ruining the billionaires image?

And again to reiterate, this is all publically available information, anyone who wants to track her jet can do so without the tracker that guy set up. She has no legal standing in her actions.

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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Na, she is getting this attention because some very powerful people, who benefit from producing a lot of greenhouse gases, would prefer that everyone be mad at T Swift instead of them.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, the much more likely thing that private jet usage has become a big talking point on the inter etc recently and swift having by far the biggest jet emission footprint of any celebrity.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I mean it's hilarious that we pilloried Elon Musk for trying to sue someone for tracking his private jet with publicly available records and posting this online, but the same people are defending Taylor Swift for doing the same.

I don't think it's a gender bias so much as it's a bias towards people we don't like.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It's like saying people did it with Elon Musk because he is African.

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[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wtf does this have to do with her gender? Are you claiming she does not top the charts in celebrity carbon emissions, but is being used as the scapegoat instead of a man?

The Conservatives aren't attacking her because of her gender, it's because of ~~their~~ her influence. Misogyny has nothing to do with it, they'd do the exact same with any celebrity of any identity/orientation because they're influence conflicts with their agenda, not because of their gender.

This smells a lot like ground-laying for radical feminist arguments, I can't find any other reason you would be here making a mountain out of an imaginary anthill. Moreover, I can't understand why anyone upvoting this would care to see a non-humorous PSA in a "hello fellow teens" vaporware frame on a surrealist/(whatever it's called) shitposting community unless it is meant to be satire.

edit: gendered a pronoun to make it concise who the subject was

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Levying valid criticism on someone is not scapegoating. You can criticize more than one person for the same thing.

[–] Geobloke@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] fhqwgads@possumpat.io 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No one memed on Elon when he shut down his tracker? Or Kylie Jenner for the 3 minute flight?

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No one memed on Elon when he shut down his tracker?

Yes they did? When he announced he was buying twitter/everyone/ was miming on him because they knew he was buying it to shut down that account.

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[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The only reason this has blown up is because she threatened that tracker with legal action. It's the Streisand effect 100%. The same shit happend when Elon Musk shut down the account that was tracking him.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

posting this once more for reach— this is a common misconception i am seeing, where people are getting the timeline reversed.

The uptick in memes kicked off most significantly in December, and while, yes, the cease and desist was embarrassing fuel for the fire, there is no evidence that it was causal in any way.

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[–] Odelay42@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Objectively and demonstrably false

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[–] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I just... I can't bring myself to give a shit about Taylor Swift's airplanes when BP and Shell still exist and capitalism is still the dominant economic system.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can give a shit about both and more.

Imagine if we could only give a shit about one threat to our existence at a time. We’d be ignoring a billion others.

[–] TeenieBopper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, kudos to you for having the energy to get so far down the list of things that actually matter about climate change that you reach the one person and a few private jets section of the list, but I'd rather use that brain space to play a board game or something.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yet you have the energy to complain about me doing it.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, criticizing the Rolling Stones in 2024 is totally equivalent to criticizing Taylor Swift, yeah let's pivot right to that. Ignore the fact that she's arguably the most popular musician on earth right now, just played a major cultural event, and all recent events.... no, let's go back to a washed up classic rock band and meme on them instead. Yeah, that'll work.

Fucking Swifties dude.....

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

honestly, for me personally? the fact a “washed up classic rock band,” as you put it, is outputting more CO2 than an actually-relevant Swift? that’s a huge difference and reason to be all the more critical of The Rolling Stones. like what are they even doing all that for lol.

i criticize both and defend neither.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this because she's a woman or because she's a billionaire? I feel like we make fun of plenty of men too

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's because she's threatening to sue the guy that tracks the jet.

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
  • I'm quite confident that, more often than not, women face greater challenges than men.

  • This post is fucking weird.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I assume the jet thing is just an excuse because Taylor Swift is the target du jour of the MAGA movement. They don't care about the jet use of anyone else but are actively making up shit about Swift.

This isn't about principles. It's just about othering.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Let’s not forget that at least 50 of Lawrence’s flights are F1 races scattered around the globe in a horrible order for environmental concerns and are increasingly hosted in oil barren countries because F1 loves blood/oil money more than anything

[–] janabuggs@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spujb is good people. I appreciate all the content you post.

So in all honesty, I have been adamantly anti Taylor Swift since the moment I learned there was a new pop star, but this is only because I hate all pop stars and anything corporate. I appreciate the reminder to check yourself on misogyny though. That really does slip into our subconscious so easily.

You know what hate brigade I am praying for? Dave fucking Grohl. I cannot think of a more neutral ass corporate shill.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

holy shit homie this means a lot thank you 🫶

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