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Bros who still buy Tesla's thinking they're morally superior need a reminder (slrpnk.net)
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[–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 97 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, while we still have so much car centric infrastructure in the states, they can be a useful transition.

I say this as someone who primarily commutes by bicycle btw. Public transit in my area is piss poor. Unpredictable buses, no light rail. Hell there aren't even sidewalks everywhere.

My wife recently got a fully electric car, and I support that move. She is not ready to go car free. But at least we are not necessarily burning fossil fuels to power trips to the grocery store. I think the closest power plants to us are nuclear and hydroelectric. Im sure there's a coal plant in the mix too tho.

Would never give elon a cent of our money though

[–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

I think people who commute farish in a car daily should be first to get electric cars, and then people who use cars less than daily for groceries or something, and lastly people like me who drive in the same town once a month or less.

[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 45 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't buy a metro line for my city, I can make sure my next car is electric. Buying an electric car is morally superior to buying a gas car.

[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 7 points 4 months ago

You wouldn't download a metro line. Or would you?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It's better to transition private cars now because that's going to take years in and of itself and it's relatively easy and fast to swap out the centralized power plants for greener options later. Swap out one dirty power plant for a green plant and everything electric connected to it is instantly greener in turn.

Even if the US went all in on public infrastructure today, it would still take decades

Not giving any money to Musk though, there are other options.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're so right...using electricity to drive here in Texas is so much less carbon intensive than gasoline powered engines it's not even close. Switching to an EV instantly makes a huge difference in your carbon footprint

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The main attractor to me is that with an electric car, you could theoretically be energy independent. Same goes with an ebike.

Eg, Solar -> battery -> EV/ebike

No need to be relying on rotten dinosaurs dug up out of wherever, with a million middle men and taxes.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oil and gas has its hooks in almost every facet of our lives unfortunately and our absolute reliance on fossil fuels won't end even if all our ICE cars were instantaneously converted to EVs. Paints, rubbers, resins, soaps, fibers/clothing, plastics, adhesives, dyes, weaponry, electronic semiconductors, building materials, healthcare/pharmaceuticals, etc are made with oils and gas in process and material. Nearly every part of my "acoustic" bicycle is also made with the help of fossil fuels on top of any used for transport on top of any used to create the food I eat to power it.

Though, 99% reliant on fossil fuels is still better than 100% since that's about all the power we have as regular people who have no direct say on global or domestic policy.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Exactly we also need to work on materials.. Federalizing the legalization of cannabis would go a long way into fixing the materials industry. Plastics need to fully be taken out of the supply chain for packaging, and replaced with biodegradable hemp based plastics. Polyester also needs to be removed from the clothing supply chain. I have several shirts that are hemp cotton blends that are amazing. China is beating is on hemp production.. We should be crushing this gap.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

To paraphrase Alan Fisher, electric cars fail to solve the biggest problem with cars: The fact that they're still cars.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 24 points 4 months ago

I generally agree with this sentiment: fuck cars in general, but we can't discount the reduction in oil demand associated with EVs. Transportation accounts for 50%ish of total emissions. That's a big piece of the pie in terms of emissions reduction. Further, storage and reduction don't translate at a 1:1 ratio. If you reduce, you're much better off than storing in terms of carbon.

Do we need a much better transportation system? Absofuckingloutley. EVs can help transition, at least in the short term but I see hybrid of trains/buses and micromobility as the path forward

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The car industry didn't want EVs. Much of it still doesn't

[–] geissi@feddit.org 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They prefer EVs over public transport.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that's true

[–] SsxChaos@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No company in the world supports neither EV nor anything eco-friendly and if there ever is it won't last because of corporate greed

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Chinese are creating a bunch of affordable EVs which could move the dial on climate but the west is generally blocking them via tarrifs

[–] ChrisWere@toot.wales 3 points 4 months ago

@kaffiene @SsxChaos Climate change aside. The move to EVs would disempower the oil lobby, which has caused untold geopolitical damage within our lifetimes.

[–] freddydunningkruger@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hey boys, we've got a representative for the car industry over here who knows all their secrets!

Come on kaffiene, spill the tea! Is the car industry behind Team NSYNC, or all about Team Backstreet Boys??

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Oddly enough your sarcasm doesn't motivate me to comment. Google is available

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago

buying a tesla feeds the orange

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago

You think the car industry needs saved? How so? Gas or electric, there's never been a lull in people purchasing cars. Quite the opposite, most of the time. It's not like cars were on a production decline before ev's started rolling in and saved the day with the few percentage of car shoppers buying them.

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Honestly moral superiority needs to get taken out of climate change as a whole. It's a global issue that needs political solutions. Nobody's individual actions are gonna change their nation's heating systems from gas, grids energy make up to solar, or billionaires to climate activists.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Buy Tesla's what?

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago

Tesla's thinking duh

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Not everyone runs on moral superiority.

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago

As an EV owner, and I approve this message

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Cars, car infrastructure, people preferring to live far out and drive to work -- those are choices that can be made individually and collectively in a society-respecting way.

Driving an ICE car is a choice that affects the entire planet. When you do that, you're doing something immoral no matter what.

Driving electric essentially illuminates the most immoral aspect of the entire driving your car thing. It is a moraly superior choice, and you should feel good about it.

And now that we removed "if we all drive the world will end" from the discussion, we can in a civilized manner discuss and decide how many cars and where do we want.

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Oh, sorry, this is lemmy, lemme quickly correct myself: burn every Tesla you see to stick it to the billionaires! Revolution starts today!