Summary:

• @Cat@ponder.cat was posting at a high volume to !news@lemmy.world
• there is no written rule on !news@lemmy.world about post volume
• there is no written rule on ponder.cat about post volume
• !news is the one single community Cat was this active in
• !news has no ponder.cat mods
• from my understanding, all rules Cat did break were unrelated to volume (correct me if I am wrong)
• ponder.cat admin @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat reaches out to Cat via comment and then DM essentially threatening account deletion if Cat doesn’t lower their activity level
• Cat understandably deletes their account because who wants that

Of course, PhilipTheBucket had the right to do this, but I also think it’s exceedingly bad form and people have a right to know that this admin is willing to go above the community mods’ head like that.

Internet etiquette has dictates for dealing with undesirable yet not rule-breaking behavior that was just ignored here. Communication should be chosen before simple fist waving and threats.

I agree with this comment that this is a bait-provoked reaction. Next time I recommend:

• at the instance/admin level, the creation of instance rules about volume
• at the community level, advocacy for community rules about volume (i.e. “[Meta] Petition: Limit daily submissions to !news to ensure community quality”)
• avoid personal slapfights to get your way
• avoid escalation directly to account termination threats

Source: https://ponder.cat/post/1731587

This one is both upsetting and weird.

So there was a user on ponder.cat who's been spamming posts. Like a lot. 58 per day, on average. Not 58 comments. 58 posts.

I started seeing a little scattering of reports about it, mostly just figured it was the mods' business to deal with, and then finally today I actually really took a look at what they were doing and realized it was way over the top. Pretty much everyone in the comments agreed when someone brought it up.

A 25 day old account with 1,400+ posts? What the actual fuck? My entire goddamn feed is this one account...

Touch grass. Good lord. You're carpet bombing multiple communities with repeats of the same crap.

The user was not receptive.

lol.

I guess people here do not know how to block an account.

:)

Is that a compliment or a rant?

May I introduce you to Lemmy block function.

If you don’t like my posts then block me and you will never see them again. As simple as that.

That's a bunch of bullshit. The voting was about as you would expect. I said to the user:

That's not how it works. If you're interfering with the average Lemmy user's experience, you don't get to claim it doesn't count because each individual person would be able to block each individual problematic account, if they wanted to have a good experience. Honestly, these people have a point. You have been posting an average of 58 posts per day. That's too much. I post a ton, and that's about 10 times more than me, and I've gotten multiple complaints about posting too much in particular communities. The handful of times it's happened, my reaction was "Oh my bad what sounds like an acceptable level" and then to more or less stick to an acceptable level. Getting snarky with people who are asking you to cool it is very bad. Please stop posting so much. Anything about 10-15 posts per day starts to feel really excessive to me. Definitely don't be dismissive about people's complaints to you about it.

They rejected my suggestion, so I sent them a DM that was a little more direct about it: Stop doing this if you want to keep your account on my instance.

Then, for some reason, they deleted their account on their own.

Well, that was weird, but at least it's all resolved and we can all get back to what we were doing. Or wait... what's happening now?

I wasn't expecting "making sure we make a safe space for the spammers by banning people who complain about spam" to be an important moderation duty, but I guess in the bizarro world that is !news@lemmy.world moderation philosophy, it makes perfect sense.

https://lemmy.world/modlog/1347

@Ghyste@sh.itjust.works

Admin comments on lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/post/55846636/18367529

tl;dr for lemm.ee:

In short, somebody posted a pro-Elon-Musk-doing-a-nazi-salute Valentine's Day meme and the mods left it up so people started complaining in other communities and the admins realized "you know, we never see reports from our instance's most controversial community" because the mods were quick to act leaving everything up. So the original salute poster was banned and all the mods were dethroned as the admins are taking a wait-and-see approach on what to do with the community.

I haven't found a comment about what happened at .world yet but there are zero mods for their community too.

Power tripping mods getting their comeuppance!

https://lemm.ee/post/56149598

Apparently, talking about respecting human rights is "imperialism apologia".

Apparently 2022 is “a long time ago” and this user doesn’t understand what former means. Can’t state facts about things unless I’m holier than someone, which is devastating news for my shitposting career.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/29191692

I don't even know what to think about this one. I'm not angry, more confused than anything. There's only one mod there so i asked them, and they said "It's against policy. It's the abbreviations policy."

I see no such policy anywhere, so who knows what's going on. Is it only the NYT that can't be abbreviated? What about the US? Is LOL forbidden too? And if so, why are we forbidden from laughing there!

They didn't even remove the comment.
The mod is user qrstuv. Maybe the only abbreviation allowed is when they say one? That's a power trip!

ok so guys you wont believe this i found this community called fuck draconic and i made a post called "guys what is this community about" with this gif to better represent my emotions and i got banned from it i mean what the heck

gif was

Not really "powertripping". Just pathetic. Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org... I've unsubbed and blocked the instance.

We can't dehumanize fascists for their choice to dehumanize everyone for things outside their control though, because that would be mean, and hurt their sociopath feefees!

Europe stool idly by throughout the 1930's "tolerating" fascism, and the Nazi's killed over 100 million people. Don't make the same mistake as the radical centrists of history. Fascists will not afford you the same tolerance or courtesy.

UPDATE: He deleted the community. Good.

I'm probably an asshole sometimes. When people act like bullies or Nazis, I tell them to fuck off. I'm no saint. I do try to be fair, and also brutally honest. Here's my personal modlog. I have nothing to hide.

Trying to be fair and brutally honest is why I got banned.

ITAP on Lemmy.world is modded exclusively by Stamets. He's a mod of several communities and heavy user of Lemmy. He's really active.

He created the community and named it "ITAP" after the subreddit of the same name. The point of that original subreddit is to post OC photos. It's right in the name. But his community rules specifically say that you can post non-OC. I find that a little weird, but it's okay. His community, his rules.

Here are the rules for his ITAP:

Wow, rule #7 is new, I swear, and I feel like it's specifically calling me out. That's funny! I didn't insult him. Well, maybe I did. You can read my original comment below. Rule #4 must be new, too because Stamets hasn't been following it, which is the whole point of this post.

Stamets posts a photo about every day and none of them are his and none are tagged "Not OC". Invariably, he gets comments like "Wow, gorgeous photo! How did you take that?". Or "Great shot! What’s the story of this boat?" He doesn't reply to any of them to eliminate their confusion. Not once. I checked.

That last one was an actual comment, and after seeing so many of these comments day after day, I finally decided to say something. ~~I wish I could copy my comment, but Lemmy doesn't let me see it because Stamets didn't technically remove it. I think banning me merely hides all of my comments, and I can't copy it from the modlog because it isn't there. I'll try to summarize. It was like 3 paragraphs.~~

I can see it now, so here it is. It appears he "unremoved" my comment, but removed all of my other ones. It's not even inflammatory. It's just "resigned".

I keep seeing comments like this with no reply, and it bugs me. Stamets doesn’t take any of the pictures he posts here, so he can’t answer these questions and just ignores them. ☹️

I guess itap has no meaning. At first I thought I’d start posting here to encourage more people to do the same, but I’ve changed my mind. I’m going to delete my one post and block this community.

Stamets’ posting of non-OC in a community called “I Took a Picture” is akin to ~~stolen valor.~~ [EDIT: It was dumb to say that, and I'm sorry. I just meant stealing praise.] It’s his community, so he can do whatever he wants, I guess. Just post in pics, @stamets@lemmy.world, and let itap be itap. Or don’t. I don’t really care. But by copying this community from reddit, and violating its core principal by making up your own rules, I feel like you’re tricking the Lemmy community in some way. It’s dumb.

Is that insulting? Really? I guess I did call his use of the name ITAP dumb. He banned me, saying I was creating "unnecessary drama". He changed the title to say "Not OC". It wasn't there originally. Here's the post: https://lemmy.world/post/25565845

[EDIT: To his credit, it's probably silly of me to complain about being banned from a community I said I was blocking. It is. But it's the principle of it. I actually forgot I had said that until I was able to see this comment today. I never ended up blocking the community. All I saw is that I was banned today. But now that I've seen his reaction to this criticism, I'm not taking this post down. I still think my criticisms are valid, and seeing him slander me in the comments with false narratives makes me even more upset about him and how he handles things.]

Turns out, he made just a sticky post about this: https://lemmy.world/post/25582946 trying to defend himself and his community's name. "I made /c/ITAP for myself and by myself." Well, that's a really weird reason to make a public internet community. 🤷

I don't really buy the whole "took" pun thing. Then again, it's kind of clever, even if really obscure. But it was never in the sidebar until today, that I remember seeing. As for not even acknowledging that he created this community's name as a direct copy of Reddit's community... That's an odd position to take.

Am I an asshole for telling him that posting non-OC in ITAP and not labeling it is like stolen valor? Am I really creating unnecessary drama? I'm definitely creating more by posting here! 😂

Update: It looks like he edited some of his submissions to say "Not OC" to follow his new Rule #4. Good! Now I feel like I've made a positive change and I don't feel like an asshole at all. I feel like I took one for the team for making that community slightly better. I had seen so many of those kinds of comments praising "his" photos. I don’t feel like I deserve a ban when he changed to rules to fix exactly what I was talking about. My comment clearly had merit.

I don't need or want any remedy. Although, if he gave up moderating ITAP and let it be a community in the spirit of the one he copied, the spirit that seemingly everyone thinks it has, that'd be great. It's never gonna happen, though. ~~He could apologize for taking criticism so badly, but I doubt he'd ever do that, either.~~ [EDIT: To be fair, I did call his community "dumb".] If you look at some of the comments he's made in defense of the Star Trek show he's named after, and comments he's removed for spurious reasons, I think you'd come to the same conclusion that he's just your average PTB.

The kind of comments Stamets lets stand without any response:

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/15094272

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/14791492

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/14647577

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/14626113

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/13422232 (The top comment is removed. I think someone asked about this photo, they were told it's not OC, and... well, you can see the reply. Again, it's not just me.)

https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/13424089

I guess that's all of them. I don't see any posts older than 3 months. I can't find any example of him actually answering questions like this, despite what he says in these comments. Those are just the ones asking questions. The one's containing only praise could be seen as general praise and not targeted at Stamets necessarily. I didn't link any of those, but he doesn't reply to those either. Yet any time he sees someone criticize the community's name he bans them. So he's clearly reading comments!

Do you see the pattern here? Stamets posts a photo. People comment on it and ask questions. Stamets ignores them. I have a really hard time believing he was too busy each and every time to reply and eliminate the commenter's confusion and admit it wasn't OC. So that's why I said what I said when I made my exit. I don't even care that I was banned. I was leaving anyway. It's just the principle of it. I never ended up blocking the community, though.

Stamets' reaction to this thread

Down below in this post's comments, Stamets keeps pushing this narrative that I was "jumping between multiple threads", "creating drama", and "stirring up shit" by making "numerous comments across numerous posts". This is such an exaggeration that it constitutes slander.

So I'm going back through my comments to see what I ever said in that community. There was no drama other than in Stamets' mind. All of my comments were upvoted. None were inflammatory. They are now all removed. Whenever I mentioned the non-OC thing, it was in reply to someone else bringing it up, and it was only two posts. (Besides my last comment up above.)

Stamets said:

you made numerous comments across numerous posts

you were jumping from thread to thread and creating unnecessary drama

They were removed for jumping between multiple threads and stirring shit up

a littany of repeated comments throughout multiple posts

I was tired of clicking on multiple posts and seeing them complain

none of them were being constructive in anyway whatsoever

And slandering me in general:

Going around randomly calling users assholes and saying fuck this community and just stirring shit up left right and center? [emphasis mine]

Childish and immature behavior that is openly display throughout the entire of their modlog and posting history.

And that... that really pisses me off. It's one thing to disagree with my assessment of this interaction, or to be petty and ban me, but to lie about my use of the ITAP community and to slander me in general, that crosses a line. I have half a mind to report this behavior to the lemmy.world admins. This is not how mods should behave.

Again, I challenge anyone to read my comment and post history and see if this narrative fits me, including my modlog which I linked to above (and tried to explain my actions in each case).

My other comments in the community

I'm putting them all in a spoiler because this is getting long. I just feel I had to defend myself against Stamets' slander.

That's it. Those are all of my comments, ever. All I did was reply to people expressing the same confusion as me. I wasn't particularly inflammatory. I was just saying I'd rather see OC then non-OC in "I Took a Picture". Until I saw yet another person thinking Stamets' photo was OC. Then I just wanted to quit. But I didn't get that choice, because Stamets immediately banned me.

okay listen up because i am telling you something

my excellent post got removed with no reason given so that has to be a mistake right i mean it was a relevant popculture post in the popculture community look i even asked two authorities on the matter and they said it would be okay

now heres the thing

im worried jeff wants me dead and what if im wrong and what if unruffled and iii are deepstate agents who played a trick on me and i get banned over this excellent post that would make jeff a power trippin bastard can you believe it just look at what this sick bastard has said in the past

clearly lusting for violence and blatantly admitting to participating in disinformation campaigns against his own users

so if jeff wakes up and removes my post please avenge me we cant let them just bulldoze us like this we have to stand up and fight for the truth we have to fight for ourselves and for each other and most of all we have to fight for our rights to post in other peoples communities and not be banned

no downvoting this post all downvoters will be banned from my community

likely in response to my comments on the beehaw post, which i linked to (hopefully im doing this right?). apparently, calling people you dont know for the first time "they/them" before being told their pronouns is "misgendering". absurd. this kind of attitude threatens the larger LGBTQ community and is partially why cishets hate us after we won so much progress back in the 00s and 10s.

im a queer person. im neurodivergent. this shit is so goddamn fucking annoying, especially as an older queer who got physically assaulted on a near daily basis for being queer in the 90s. the kids today get their panties in a twist over being supposedly "misgendered" by someone calling them gender neutral pronouns before being corrected. narcissistic victimhood bullshit.

anyways, now banned from one of my favorite instances. meanwhile in the US theyre planning on hunting us. but yeah, lets ban fellow queers over their view that people who get mad about being "misgendered" when they arent (cis people are also referred to as "they/them" before further context in a conversation with a stranger) are just attention seeking brats that threaten the larger movement. its so obvious to me that the brats who find reason to be offended over innocent pronoun use never faced real adversity, like getting repeatedly physically beaten.

edit - the best part of all of this is i faced no moderation from beehaw and all of my comments are +1 or higher. power tripping oversensitive neurodivergent hating bastard of a mod over at blahaj IMO.

edit 2 - did this wrong. heres a link to the post i think got me banned from blahaj and a screenshot about it https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37659465

Edit 3 - apparently I did nothing wrong until I made my thoughts known about how the pronoun police fucked over the larger LGBTQ community as our rights are backsliding in America. Yall are gonna whine about being misgendered to the concentration camp guards at the rate we’re going. God forbid I be angry that while queers were busy fighting over pronouns our adversaries stuffed the courts, stuffed the school boards, couped the government, and are installing a fascist dictatorship. When I say that these fucking toddlers are going to learn what real oppression tastes like, that’s what I mean. It’s not that I want us to be hurt or oppressed (as the dog piling idiots have interpreted), it’s that the younger generation is weak as hell and lost the fucking plot in the fight for our rights. I grew up getting beaten in the streets for being queer only for these kids to claim their pronouns not being mind-read is oppression!

So, I saw a report from one of my users. They reported:

https://ponder.cat/post/1594852/1813842

For the reason:

Unreasonable fighting with everyone in every simple post

I think that's ridiculous, so I talked with them about it. Posting private communications is frowned upon I guess, but long story short, they weren't receptive. I've decided to ban the account.

IMO the general culture on Lemmy is that users are entitled to their free account and everyone needs to be careful and circumspect about limiting that entitlement in any way, but I don't see it that way. I don't think it's a requirement for me to provide hosting space for anyone who wants to use my stuff as a jumping-off point for abuse of Lemmy's systems, and isn't apologetic or receptive when I talk with them about not doing that. The fact that it's in service of harassing FlyingSquid in particular is just icing on the cake, since my perception is that people like to harass him apparently for no legitimate reason at all (with this as an example).

AITA?

The community’s sidebar doesn’t list a single rule so I don’t know how they expect to get users to fall in line if it’s completely unspoken.

Anyway this is a rare case of a very tiny community where no one is getting hurt so it’s not a huge deal. But if you plan on discussing news using any kind of acronym I guess don’t go there lmao.

Thoughts welcome! Am I missing something?

I don't troll. At all. What I do is post various comments encouraging a community to not get angry as hell about a change but to make the best out of it. That's what happened when 196 decided to port over from blahaj.zone to lemmy.world. I made a bunch of fairly long comments that were talking about how people shouldn't be angry and just leaving toxic comments but fueling a better community, whether that be here or elsewhere. Comments went fairly well and all was fine and left up for a while but a couple of days after being posted they were removed along with everything else that I had posted to that community. The mods list the reason in the modlog for my permanent ban as "trolling". There are many things I do, but trolling isn't one of them. Especially when the comment sections are left in a state here showing that I wasn't trolling.

I went through everything that I did with that community and cannot find a singular thing with the exception of a memory.

I had posted a meme a couple of weeks ago. I don't remember exactly what it was but I remember a moderator saying on it an hour or two after posting that it should be marked as NSFW. I disagreed with this assessment. I left a comment in response saying that I disagreed that it should be marked and that I would refuse to mark it as NSFW. However, I also respect that it is their community and their rules so I settled for something different. I didn't add an NSFW tag, I just deleted it wholesale. I didn't want to add a tag to something that I didn't feel was applicable and instead of having to sit with that tag on the post, I just deleted the post entirely.

So this only leaves two options from the mods of 196.

Either they banned me for posting comments that were supportive of the community itself and not directly supportive of them or they banned me for deleting a post.

In either case? The moderators of !196@lemmy.world are no better than reddit moderators who just lash out for their own ego. Blanket bans for disagreements.

And perhaps unsurprisingly and perfectly fitting of every single accusation that has been levied so far against them and their abusive practices, the last moderator to interact with me was @moss@lemmy.world.

I find it fucking hysterical how the mods over there are so vehemently Anti-Trump (and should be given the userbase and content) but act no better than someone in his administration.

Edit: I found the post about it being NSFW after going through Moss' profile but unsurprisingly Moss had to go ahead and suppress my comment there as well. It's remarkable how much of their profile is just whining about being treated unfairly while they're going ahead and treating people unfairly. But of course, Moss (being a redditor) had to go ahead and downvote before the removal of the post. Fragile... jesus.

As for how I feel it should be remedied, Moss should step down or at least be removed as a mod on Lemmy.world. They've done nothing for the community that hasn't been insanely divisive as of late. They seem to be remarkably tonedeaf and just openly abusing their position.

Update

@Kolanaki@pawb.social went to the community and straight up asked why I was banned. For the record I didn't ask for this or anything and was completely blindsided when I got a notification in my inbox. But a mod over there did respond with this:

So I'm unbanned from the community because a mod could find no reason that made sense why I was banned.

Tell me how that doesn't unilaterally prove that Moss was indeed just banning people over petty ass reasons?

https://lemmy.world/post/25206083

edit: changed image links to embeds

Yes, I think that the idea of having a cop hovering over my conversation, dictating who can talk and what they can say, is abhorrent. I admit it.

So I asked. Discussion happened. Some of it hot. Some of it useful. It was going places.

Then the mod of asklemmy bans the whole show.

The self-awareness of a paramecium, I tell you.

This user did ~~hours~~ over a day of violent and transphobic hate speech and was not banned due to absentee admins. And when admins finally take action it’s for “userbase request”?

Uhhhhh? Am I missing something? SDF admins don’t seem to be willing to operate a community as a community of 4k users.

No hate to the admins if they are underpaid or whatever. SDF just needs to appoint reachable and bare minimally invested admins, and if they can’t maybe shouldn’t be running a Lemmy instance; it’s not really a “set it and forget it” deal.

Reported less than five of this dipshit's posts and he ended up banning me from all of his communities. Doesn't really surprise me. I've known that reports on Lemmy are faulty and Admin only reports, or more control of who receives them has been suggested but Lemmy's devs never listen.

My advice is to just send messages directly to your Admins as well as his admins, then he can't intercept them.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.cafe/post/12702247

offending user (CW transphobia and queerphobia)

https://lemmy.sdf.org/u/ashton1593

Related to the previous post (saynotonazis) but i commented and got banned, and the reason is so funny i just had to share (sorry if this is not a good place) Original post: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/28953165 PTB post: https://lemm.ee/post/54496700

This was the comment i posted btw, there is nothing islamic about it lmfao. he literally just saw arabic and thought i was an islamist:

Nazism is a dangerous and evil far left wing ideology which we cannot and will not ever support

Lmao what

FYI: The meme is a pun meaning "be a man" or "be a leg"

Original post: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/28953165

My comment was:

OP's stated definition of nazism:

Nazism is a dangerous and evil far left wing ideology

A direct quote from OP's stickied post: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/28952853

Interesting that OP wouldn't want us to know what they mean when they say Nazi.

edit: added link to post

Yesterday I was reading the post about the FUTO keyboard where there were a lot of messages deleted by moderators.
I've commented there

What the heck happened with all the messages deleted by moderator?

And it got deleted. Right now you can only see 4, but I've counted 19 messages moderated and the post has been locked. Why?
I've had a look ad the modlog and the messages don't seems to violate any policy (now they've removed them in the modlog too).

I'm pinging here lemmy.ml admin and the mods of the open source community where the post was posted so they can have their say about it and clarify the situation to me.
@kevincox@lemmy.ml @CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml @Cloak@lemmy.ml @davel@lemmy.ml @dessalines@lemmy.ml @nutomic@lemmy.ml @JoeBidet@lemmy.ml @cypherpunks@lemmy.ml

If I'm getting something wrong, please let me know, I'm here to discus and understand if I'm getting something wrong or if something went wrong in the moderation. Thanks!

Down here you can see the deleted comments.

P.s. I'm writing here because I think that this post on lemmy.ml wouldn't last long.