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[โ€“] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Does being a janitor have a moral component? Must we decide whether or not to celebrate or condemn janitors, or would it be acceptable to just consider it a job?

[โ€“] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Of course it does. Things are dirty and people need to clean them, people like clean spaces invariably, wouldn't we both say it's a net positive for society? The worst of janitors is the one keeping things tidy in the CIA offices for instance, letting these monsters cook their next psy-op, lol, but even then their impact is negligible in the success of the war machine. When it comes to themselves, as long as they're protected from dangerous materials, they should be fine physically. Is it harmful for their psyche to clean? Maybe without good music ๐Ÿคท but not as much as opening your legs to random men who use you basically as a disposable masturbatory aid several times a day. Breaking the link between love, commitment and sex is not just a big taboo, but it's (more importantly) psychologically damaging, and whatever ideology you have to create to stomach it (plus whatever bad habits regarding substances you might have developed trying to cope with it all) will have to be disposed of before developing an actual connection with another human being/re-entering society. You can't get there just by sweeping floors, and to even mention otherwise is either foolish or a statement made in bad faith, but I entertained it because it could be the former.

Listen, besides the fact that it's just 'socially transgressive', the biggest sin behind prostitution is the sin of self-harm. That's all. Morally, if we're discussing the global ramifications of ones actions, it's way better to be a prostitute with 50 clients a day for years (as long as you're clean, ofc) than an IDF soldier for one day, or even an investment banker. But to say self-harm is okay because "their body, their rules" and it makes them money is a product of moral relativity and ideological confusion.

[โ€“] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok. I've found the problem here. You have an opinion on the topic, but you think that you have facts. So you're convinced that people with a different opinion are wrong.

Hope that helps.

[โ€“] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You need to balance the harm caused by allowing people to engage in self-harm with the harm imposed by removing someone's freedom of choice. If God Himself thought it was important for us to have free will, what right do you or I have to remove it?

[โ€“] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I could never, as in I certainly don't have any capacity to do so. Expressing my opinion publicly is not a restraint on your will, lol. Maybe if I came to your house and kidnapped you but not just me yapping online!