ACA was a great idea that they purposefully let the Republicans destroy. Democrats don't want progress, they just want the status quo and to be able to shrug and say, "We tried."
Cowards.
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I think its fairer to say about 25% of Democratic politicians are garbage (vs 100% of republicans) but it effectively means they will never pass any kind of uncorrupted reform unless they are absolutely terrified.
thats some obama awards obama stuff right there.
The ACA blows. Here are my issues with it:
- doesn't go far enough - I would've been better off w/ ACA if my employer didn't offer coverage (small company of <50 people), but switching would've eliminated my employer contribution and the credit
- goes too far - too opinionated about what care counts
The proper solution IMO would've been to:
- separate health insurance from employment - employers can offer cash incentives, but you should be able to choose if you want their group coverage or to apply the cash to your own plan
- simplify healthcare coverage terms - most people don't understand their health coverage, though ACA plans are a bit easier to understand; they should have required all health insurance plans to simplify their coverage
- expand Medicare/Medicaid instead of creating a new healthcare marketplace
But no, they didn't do any of that. Screw everyone involved. Republicans for neutering the bill, and Democrats for only fighting for the stuff that doesn't matter as much.
Bro literally had the votes for single payer and didn't take it.
There were a LOT of shitty liberal status-quo standards that Obama stamped down, solidified and made mandate for 8 years while paving the way for conservatism to run amuck across the country by not using his unprecedented power to actually implement and federally protect progressive politics and install judges. ACA was so watered-down from the public option we all wanted, that it was literally a plan invented by Republicans, Mitt Romney specifically.
I thought Obama was a great person, he was a great leader, he was inspiring and helped create prosperity and peace for many years. But I'm not a personality cultist, I have some serious criticisms of his presidency and how he managed the Democratic party (or failed to).
He had every opportunity to push America into a new era of social policies and protections for all people, and what actually happened is a lot of banks made a lot of money.
He thought he could compromise Republicans into behaving, he didn't realize until it was too late that they'd never support a black man. And since the GOP knows that a black president is a possibility, they'll never allow a Democrat to bring their voice above a whisper again
Bingo
Bro literally demonstrably didn't because caucusing independent Joe Lieberman voted against Public Option leaving the DNC dead in the water with 59 and a Republican Filibuster. The DNC count was 58 + 2 ind, and only for 72 days.
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I'm not from the us, what does it mean?
“Single payer” refers to the government being the one paying for healthcare and prescriptions, and thus having tons of leverage to negotiate lower costs while also providing healthcare to everybody.
Basically, it was one possible method to bring healthcare in the US up to the level of the rest of the developed world.
Single Payer is basically the system most countries have where healthcare is not a luxury good, but a human right.
He's still got my vote
ACA sucks, but okay. ACA was a compromise. Not an example of inspiring change.
Yeah, Democrats compromising with Democrats.
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The ACA was the best that could be done at the time, but it is a steaming turd and needs to be replaced with Universal Healthcare.
America: The best we can do is a steaming turd
I disagree. Democrats had the presidency, the house and the senate (filibuster proof). They chose a republican friendly solution that was just a bandaid on a broken system.
All it did was piss off republicans and give them a rallying point while doing nothing to encourage democrats to vote.
They should have had the balls to create a system that actually fixed the problems, but they didn’t.
There were like one or two very conservative Dems who derailed the single payer option when they had the filibuster proof majority. The main problem is not getting a solid party wide understanding of the goals they are aiming for ahead of the chances to do something about it.
you mean like the suddenly 10 conservative democrats who just happen to vote to allow trump to continue dismantling the government? including the democratic leader in the senate schumer? stop excusing their lack of accomplishments on a few bad applies. the bulk of the party is rotten.
It wouldnt have mattered if they had 90 members in the senate and 90% of the house they'd find the votes to prevent anything that helps the working class.
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Actually no, It was an independent who killed the Public Option vote. There was one Dem who opposed the rules in the original bill around Abortion but he still voted yay in the end and Joe Lieberman was the Nay vote. Because they only reached 59 it was filibustered, so they clearly were not filibuster-proof.
The last time DNC had an actual 60 without caucus was 1979.
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The ACA is the best he could do. It’s not like a US President can just go around like a wrecking ball ignoring all established law and checks and balances.
The Democrats briefly had a super majority in Obama's first 2 years, and could have passed universal healthcare, not this limp dick ACA stuff, but yet here we are. Stuck with a patchwork of terrible private insurance where your policy has lifetime maximums, and the shareholders can sentence you to death so that line goes up.
Incorrect, it was 58 DNC and for only 72 days.
You can thank Schumer for that as well.
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Thanks for dropping the “public option” after going into closed door negotiations with the insurance companies for three weeks and coming out with a mandate handing them millions of new captive market participants and putting few, very sacred few limitations or regulatory requirements for how to run their industry. Thanks for dismantling your campaign infrastructure when the GOP started playing “the heel”.
This is the reason why he stopped Bernie. He (and many others in the Democratic Party leadership) knew that only a huge populist movement like Bernie’s could tear power out of the hands of financial/industrial Oligarchs. He’s terrified that if we get some variation of universal healthcare in his lifetime, EEEEEEEVERYONE is going to go back through all that bullshit they said, all the excuses they made, and rub their faces in it. Not only that but also most of these crooked politicians are heeeeaaavily invested in the various private healthcare companies.
I am not a particularly religious person, but I know this to be true: You can’t serve two masters.
That's not true at all, they never had a true supermajority because they only had 58 DNC, to begin with and the caucusing Independent Joe Lieberman voted against Public Option making it dead in the water.
I guarantee you that if you supported the DNC long enough to get an actual 60 supermajority the likes of which have not been achieved since 1979, then all of your current worries would become a thing of the past.
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"It's easy to thik that regular folks can't make a difference... but look at Luigi!"
Thanks Obomber
Legitimate question: if there is a change to the term limits on the office of POTUS, passed by GOP to enable another Trump run, wouldn't that also allow Obama to run again? If yes, what are the pros and cons of this? Just trying to game this out.
One congressman (who is also under an FBI investigation) proposed an amendment that would allow presidents who have not served two consecutive terms to run for a third; which takes care of the pesky Obama problem.
This seems like theater, though not without potential harm. An amendment tailored made to exempt only Trump from the 22nd amendment would be an odd one to see ratified by 75% of the states.
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He was milquetoast compared to actual progressive politicians. He folded like all paid opposition party Democrats when it came to the public option.
He put his finger on the scale to get others to drop out all on the same day so Bernie wouldn't win the nomination and you got Biden instead.
They would likely do away with term limits for Republicans only since they can make their own rules and even if they didn't Obama wouldn't run for another term because he would say it isn't the way the founding fathers wanted and the all important parliamentarian said no.
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