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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago

Can we just have tiny villages where we tell ghost stories and just all contribute to each other's well being?

[–] Blindsite@lemmy.today 6 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Problem is real world communism always ends up as authoritarian dictatorships.

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

it's almost like American imperialism has made sure that any attempt has failed by economic and military disruption and injecting dictators with the goal of dissuading others from trying.

the second there's a success story western capitalism becomes unnecessary and a better system comes into view.

[–] AHuman2@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Also communist economy is impossible to implement since there is no all knowing god to fuck all the people siphoning the money out via corruption. Communism is great if you can remove humans from the equation. Mofo humans fuck every system up, we are the problem.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Lol, heaven is also an authoritarian dictatorship

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Also, heaven is an absolute monarchy. The fact so many commies don't even see the difference between communism and a monarchy should tell you all you need to know.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Also, heaven is an absolute autocracy. The fact so many fundies don't even see the difference between US and facism should tell you all you need to know.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

Socialist capitalist democracy works pretty well though

Source: Scandinavian

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Tends to on a nation scale. But there's still some good lessons to learn from it for smaller scale and nation scale too.

[–] Captain_CapsLock@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

That's a pretty boilerplate criticism. While true to a great degree, it's also true of a lot of western capitalist nations.

It's pretty hard to find information about real communist societies because media companies have it in their best interest to bury any good that has possibly been done by a communist society, meanwhile demonizing them and making them the enemy. You really have to dig to find honest information about communist societies.

Moreover, a lot of otherwise successful communist regimes have been sabotaged and poisoned by capitalist interests. Either by literally arming fascists, or just by demonizing them with foreign policy and media coverage.

[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Any idea why communism is spelt with a zero here?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

gotta censor it

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 120 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The absolute worst is them saying socialism is pessimistic because it thinks people can't do anything for themself and coddles them with a nanny state. Then turns around and says "you have to structure capitalism assuming every single person is a greedy sociopath hellbent on fucking over everyone else to make money."

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Ancaps/libertarians as well.

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[–] LemmyGo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I think it might have something to do with those "Christians" envisioning heaven as an implicit ethnostate.

Socialism seems ugly to them because it involves the people who seem ugly to them being cared for.

But they'd never say it out-loud; most can't even see that's what their twisted little hearts desire.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 31 points 1 week ago

I think they just lack vision and don't actually want to change the real world, just dream of a better place

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 95 points 1 week ago (13 children)

This actually makes sense, once you understand what their problem is with communism.

You see, they have no problem with all the benefits that communism offers... What bothers them is the idea that those benefits would be given to people who haven't earned it.

Heaven, to them, is a reward. Only the pure, the righteous, the faithful get to enjoy its benefits. Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

A heaven for everyone, with no walls, no gates, no pitiful outcasts scrabbling to get in... That's no heaven at all.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

No, the issue most people have with it is that it requires a king (god) to make it work. People don't mind a higher being (god) ruling them as an absolute monarch. They do mind handing such power to a human, since we have seen again and again how such power corrupts people.

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[–] the_q@lemm.ee 57 points 1 week ago (13 children)

When I was fairly young my mom described Christian heaven. I remember struggling with the idea of not struggling and being happy all the time. Then she hit me with if someone you love doesn't make it to heaven you forget them. That's when the fracture began for me.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The most successful nations in terms of citizen happiness use mixed-economics. Nordic nations have the blueprint. We just need to use it.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So complete justice system reform, cut the police force, strong wide reaching unions, and strong social welfare.

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[–] prunerye@slrpnk.net 43 points 1 week ago (24 children)

To be fair, the heaven of the Bible is neither stateless nor classless. "The nations" are still present in Revelation 21 and 22, and inequality in heaven is a common theme in Jesus's parables.

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[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In the eternal words of Bob Marley:

Some people think

Great God will come from the sky

Take away everything

And make everybody feel high

But if you know what life is worth

You will look for yours on earth

And now we see the light

We're going to stand up for our right

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[–] confluence@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fundies have a more two-class system in mind for Heaven: God-King and unquestionably loyal fans.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I asked one “so when do I actually die?” and they couldn’t comprehend that I didn’t want to exist forever

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Heaven is an autocratic police state though

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I’ve come to the conclusion that Christians that vote republic just dissociate their “church” brain vs their non “church” brain. Their religious beliefs ONLY apply to religious things. Everything else just goes to whatever their true value system is.

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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Me listening to tankies describe communism as a moneyless, stateless, classless world, then criticise anarchism

[–] zwekihoyy@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

people still use the word tankie ? my guy most communists these days are anarcho communists.

tankie was never funny anyways

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We can only make the world stateless by having one all-encompassing state. Anarchism would result in a mosaic of states.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

sadly I actually do believe this. help me 😭

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What if we have zero states?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Well that's what anarchism tries to do

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